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Lucy Ball (Nee Jones)

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Mar 2019 14:14

Deaths Mar 1890 (>99%)
Jones Sarah Jane 44 Chesterfield 7b 492


1881 census says her birth year was 1846.

safc

safc Report 23 Mar 2019 14:11

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Worcestershire
Place Dudley
Church name St James
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 262
Marriage date 17 May 1869
Groom forename Caleb
Groom surname JONES
Groom age 21
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Miner
Groom abode Dudley
Bride forename Sarah Jane
Bride surname JONES
Bride age 23
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Dudley
Groom father forename Isaac
Groom father surname JONES
Groom father occupation Miner
Bride father forename Ambrose
Bride father surname JONES
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness1 forename Isaac
Witness1 surname JONES
Witness2 forename Elizabeth
Witness2 surname JONES
Notes Bride & Witnesses sign X
Transcribed by Jean Langdell
File line number 262

Eleanor

Eleanor Report 23 Mar 2019 14:09

Maddie, I think Sarah died 1890 or there abouts. Before the 1891 census at least.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Mar 2019 14:07

The son Ambrose from the 1881 census:

JONES, AMBROSE mms JONES
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in DUDLEY Volume 06C Page 66

And daughter Ann M:

JONES, ANN MARIA mms JONES
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in WAKEFIELD UNION Volume 09C Page 13

Maddie

Maddie Report 23 Mar 2019 14:05

?????
SARAH
Last name JONES
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1853
Age 44
Death quarter 3
Death year 1897
District Chesterfield
County Derbyshire
Volume 7B
Page 406
Country England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Mar 2019 13:56

Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
Jones Caleb Dudley 6c 34
Jones Rachel Dudley 6c 34
Jones Sarah Jane Dudley 6c 34
Smith Isaac Dudley 6c 34

Maddie

Maddie Report 23 Mar 2019 13:39

??
CALEB
Last name JONES
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1851
Age 43
Death quarter 3
Death year 1894
District Dudley
County Staffordshire
Volume 6C
Page 36
Country England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Mar 2019 13:25

As I mentioned above, she claimed to be 22 in May 1907

Alice from above census?

JONES, ALICE JONES
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 687

and Elizabeth

JONES, ELIZABETH JONES
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 635

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Mar 2019 13:21

There's a widowed Caleb Jones in Bolsover in 1891 - but no Lucy:


Caleb Jones
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Caleb Jones
Gender: Male
Age: 51
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1840
Child: Elizabeth Jones
Minnie Jones
Alice Jones
Birth Place: Cudworth, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bolsover
Residence Place: Bolsover, Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Sub registration district: Bolsover
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 2767
Folio: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Caleb Jones 51
Elizabeth Jones 11
Minnie Jones 7
Alice Jones 2
Elizabeth Lee 30
Charles Haywood 64 -[ mistranscription, Charles is in the next household ]


??

JONES, ALICE mms JONES
GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 691

JONES, ELIZABETH ms JONES
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 635


I don't see Minnie's birth - Is it possible she's Lucy, with birth year a bit out ???

Maddie

Maddie Report 23 Mar 2019 13:20

could this be caleb with brother john

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

New Street, Sedgley, Dudley, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Isaac Jones Head Married Male 35 1826 Coal Miner Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Amariah Jones Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Caleb Jones Son Unmarried Male 12 1849 Scholar Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
John Jones Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
... Jones Son Unmarried Male 0 1861 - Sedgley, Staffordshire, England
Caleb Jones's Census Details

CALEB
Last name JONES
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1869
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


CALEB JONES married one of these people

Sarah Jane Jones, Rachel Jones
District Dudley
District number -
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6C
Volume as transcribed 6C
Page number 34
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, England

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 23 Mar 2019 13:19

Maybe more children to 1918

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Ball Bertie Jones Mansfield 7b 239
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Ball Irene Jones Mansfield 7b 207
Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
Ball Joseph W Jones Mansfield 7b 208
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
BALL Jack Jones Mansfield 7b 240
Births Mar 1915 (>99%)
Ball Wilfred Jones Mansfield 7b 227
Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Ball Mabel Jones Mansfield 7b 180
Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Ball Eric Jones Mansfield 7b 200
Births Dec 1918 (>99%)
Ball Lucy M Jones Mansfield 7b 161

Eleanor

Eleanor Report 23 Mar 2019 13:17

Hi Erika

I have,

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
First Name
Sarah Jane
Last Name
Jones
Gender
Female
Year
1869
Spouse

Image Quarter
2
Country
England
County
Staffordshire
District
Dudley
District Number

Registry Number

Volume
6C
Page
34
Line Number
274
Entry Number

Category
Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set
England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Collections from
Great Britain, England
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

First Name
Caleb
Last Name
Jones
Gender
Male
Year
1869
Spouse

Image Quarter
2
Country
England
County
Staffordshire
District
Dudley
District Number

Registry Number

Volume
6C
Page
34
Line Number
104
Entry Number

Category
Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set
England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Collections from
Great Britain, England
© brightsolid online publishing ltd

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Mar 2019 13:10

Have you made any searches for a possible marriage for the named father and Lucy's mother?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Mar 2019 13:07

Lucy Jones
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Lucy Jones
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1885
Marriage Date: 20 May 1907
Marriage Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Caleb Jones <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Joseph William Ball

Eleanor

Eleanor Report 23 Mar 2019 13:04

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Household Information
Street
New Houghton
Parish
Pleasley (Derby)
Town

City

County
Derbyshire
Country
England
Registration District
Mansfield
Category
Census, Land & Surveys
Record set
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from
Great Britain, England
Person 1
First Name
Ambrose
Last Name
Jones
Birth Year
1872
Age
9
Birth Place
England
Birth Town
Sedgley
Birth County
Staffordshire
Relationship To Head of Household
Son
Gender
Male
Occupation
Scholar
Condition
Single
Archive Reference
RG11
Folio
25
Page
46
Piece Number
3312
Person 2
First Name
Ann M
Last Name
Jones
Birth Year
1874
Age
7
Birth Place
England
Birth Town
Normanton Common
Birth County
Yorkshire
Relationship To Head of Household
Daughter
Gender
Female
Occupation
Scholar
Condition
Single
Archive Reference
RG11
Folio
25
Page
46
Piece Number
3312
Person 3
First Name
Caleb
Last Name
Jones
Birth Year
1849
Age
32
Birth Place
England
Birth Town
Sedgley
Birth County
Staffordshire
Relationship To Head of Household
Head
Gender
Male
Occupation
Coal Miner
Condition
Married
Archive Reference
RG11
Folio
25
Page
46
Piece Number
3312
Person 4
First Name
Elizabeth
Last Name
Jones
Birth Year
1880
Age
1
Birth Place
England
Birth Town
Temple Normanton
Birth County
Derbyshire
Relationship To Head of Household
Daughter
Gender
Female
Occupation

Condition
Single
Archive Reference
RG11
Folio
25
Page
46
Piece Number
3312
Person 5
First Name
Sarah J
Last Name
Jones
Birth Year
1846
Age
35
Birth Place
England
Birth Town
Sedgley
Birth County
Staffordshire
Relationship To Head of Household
Wife
Gender
Female
Occupation

Condition
Married
Archive Reference
RG11
Folio
25
Page
46
Piece Number
3312

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 23 Mar 2019 13:04

Previous thread:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1333578

According to that, you found father Caleb's name on Lucy & Joseph's marriage cert.

Eleanor

Eleanor Report 23 Mar 2019 13:00

Erika, I can't remember, I started this 6 years ago.

Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index
First Name
Lucy Margaret
Last Name
Jones
Collections from
England, Great Britain
Country
England
Category
Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record collection
Civil Births
Record set
Derbyshire Registrars Birth Index
County
Derbyshire
Year
1886
First Names
Lucy Margaret
Birth Year
1886
Place
Blackwell
Year
1886
Relationship

Reference
BWB/24/307
Register Office
Chesterfield

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 23 Mar 2019 12:59

Where did you get the info that Lucy's father was named Caleb?

EDIT

From the marriage cert.

However, on that (in May 1907) she is aged 22 - so her birth must be earlier than JFM 1886

Eleanor

Eleanor Report 23 Mar 2019 12:59

Possibly Sedgley, that is where both Caleb and Sarah originated from?

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 23 Mar 2019 12:56

Where is the family in 1891... I can't seem to find them.