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Mary Harrington
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary Harrington
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1889
Registration Date: Sep 1971
Registration district: Hastings
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 897



Mary Harrington
in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: Mary Harrington
Age: 81
Birth Date: abt 1890
Death Date: abt 1971
Burial Date: 27 Jul 1971
Burial Place: Littlehampton, West Sussex, England
Grave number: A 420
Interment Number: 11482
Cemetery Notes: Unconsecrated
[ Image actually says RC, though that's written in the column for unconsecrated burials.]

Retired teacher.
Place of death: Maze Hill, St Leonards on Sea.


However, that doesn't help find her birth.

Thank you so much for looking Dea, yes we did find that earlier, but everything helps.

Do you have this for Dorothy?

Household (1 Person) Convent Of Our Lady Filsham Road , Hastings C.B., Sussex, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Dorothy M Herrington 30 Jul 1917 Nun Lay Sister

I found it so I thought I may as well post it.

Dea x

Yes, Douglas is Anne's father, who left home when she and her siblings were young, and took all family photos and documents with him.

Kathleen married 3 times and had a baby from another relationship.

Dorothy is supposed to be the former nun who murdered her lover in a motel and then committed suicide at the age of about 70, but although we have her death record we haven't found anything about the murder/suicide yet.

Still looking for proof that Agnes Mary Kelly existed before her marriage in 1916. I found an Agnes Kelly, father Michael Kelly, born in Ireland, but that was in 1886, so a few years too early. As Agnes was Roman Catholic, she might have taken the name Mary at her confirmation.

Are these her children?

Births Sep 1916
Harrington Kathleen M Kelly Fulham 1a 563
Births Sep 1917
Harrington Dorothy Kelly Fulham 1a 437
Births Mar 1920
Harrington Douglas W Kelly Fulham 1a 850

Rose

Oh dear yes, you are right - I think I'm so desperate to find her that I'm clutching at anything that looks possible.

As she was 26 in January 1916, she was probably born in 1889. I really hoped that knowing her father's name and occupation would make it easier to pinpoint her, but the only Agnes/Michael Kelly combinations I have found have been in the north of England, with the father being coal miner or similar.

I've tried England, Scotland and Ireland too.

Looking again at your opening post, Sister Mary Ciaran can't be your Agnes, unless there's an even bigger mix-up with DOBs than appears.

Your Agnes was born c1890 (assuming her age at marriage was stated correctly), not 1900 or 1915.

That method of transcribing the 1939 register sounds a recipe for disaster. No wonder its hard to search sometimes.

Excellent detective work finding College Street, but what a pity our illusive Agnes wasn't there. Where the heck was she hiding? I just hope I'm still around when the 1921 comes on line - if she's not on that I'll throttle her. She can't have just materialised on her wedding day, can she?

I suppose its as simple as her name having possibly been mistranscribed, but I can't think of too many variations for Agnes or Kelly - though I recently found a Cecil recorded as Peril. I'll keep on keeping on, any brainwaves much appreciated.

This is the FMP transcript ..........

Mehegan Household (11 People) 27 Brunswick Place , Hove M.B., Sussex, England

Charles Mehegan 18 Dec 1873 Hotel Proprietor
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Annie (E Te) Mehegan 24 Nov 1880 Hotel Proprietress
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
William MacDonald 14 Mar 1879 Postal Superintendant (Retired)
Martin McNamara 28 Nov 1879 Postal Overseer
Agnes (Sister Mary) Harrington (Aaron) 22 May 1915 Sister Of Charity
Sister Mary Moon (Frideswinda) 22 May 1915 Sister Of Charity
Margaret Mehegan 14 Dec 1881 Domestic
Bridget A (Te) Haugh 16 Jul 1891 Governess Incapacitated
Davidson Strachan 19 May 1872 Private Means


The corrected date for Mary Moon to 22 May 15 is annotated with (BQ Rm 80) .. written in orange, as is the date and the correction of Frideswide to Moon.

I wonder if the transcriber assumed (not supposed to!) that because Mary Moon had originally been given the birth date 14 July 1900 and that it had been corrected during the period when the list was used by the NHS, that those 2 dates had originally been mistakenly ascribed to the wrong people from the hotel's information.

Short on time, but a Mary Clara Thorne was listed on the electoral registers in 1915 at 28 Elystan Street, Chelsea

AG ..............

re the 1939 Register.

I read somewhere that the FMP transcription was done by giving several transcribers each a COLUMN from a page.

So they worked by transcribing one column from top to bottom, then the columns were put together by other people to make the page.

People have often found that the lines across sometimes slipped during the latter stage ......... so that entries on the page did not always get the correct transcript.

Does that make sense?? I'm not sure that I'm describing it in an easily understandable way.

I do not know what process Ancestry used for its transcribers.

I have access to both, so could check the transcript on the site other than the one you used, if needed.

Another household with address 28 College Street is this one:

August Sattler
in the 1911 England Census
Name: August Sattler
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Germany
Civil Parish: Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 28 College Street, Chelsea S W
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 14
Estimated Marriage Year: 1897
Occupation: HEAD WAITER
Registration district: Chelsea
Registration District Number: 4
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 379
Household Members:
Name Age
August Sattler 37
Emily Maria Sattler 35 - London (Marylebone)
August T G Sattler 13 - Lambeth
Freda P J Sattler 12 - Lambeth
Dorothy S M Sattler 10 - Earlsfield
Case Alexander Sattler 7 [ Carl, not Case ] - Brixton

I can't find any reference to Elystan Road on a Google search, but apparently College Street changed its name to Elystan Street during 1912-17.

http://tinyurl.com/y3n5mba7

Perhaps the address on the marriage cert is supposed to be Street, and not Road ???
So perhaps it was still called College Street in 1911?


Ann Ellis
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ann Ellis
Age in 1911: 76
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: PETWORTH, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Chelsea
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 22 Oakley Street, Chelsea S W ****
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: PRIVATE MEANS
Registration district: Chelsea
Registration District Number: 4
Sub-registration district: Chelsea North
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Piece: 379
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Ellis 76

****
This has been transcribed as Ann Ellis's address, because it's the address of a Robert Donald who filled in the census return - perhaps her landlord??

Ann Ellis's address is actually 28 College Street.

How can I find 28 Elystan Road, Chelsea, in the 1911 census? I've tried but got 0 results.

No, but Anne was born in 1954 and remembers visiting her - she had holy water outside her front door, and always asked if they had blessed themselves before letting them into the house.

Re possible mix-up in DOB's - just as a very long shot - here's the death of an Agnes Harrington with the same DOB as Mary Frideswinda's original DOB on the image, before the correction to 22 May 1915:

Deaths Jun 1980 (>99%)
HARRINGTON AGNES 14JY1900 NEWBURY 19 87

Nowhere near Hastings, though!
Does Anne know when Agnes died?

In the 1939 I posted, the original name of Sr Mary Ciaran has been crossed out, and replaced with Agnes Harrington (not Sister Agnes Harrington as in the transcription).

So maybe she was with the Sisters temporarily, and then went back to Montague? - don't know if such a thing is possible.

The correction (or change) is dated 05/06/1968.
Code: CR283 BE

Agnes, and Sister Mary Fridaswinda (whose name has also been later corrected or changed to Mary Moon) are not living at a retreat house or similar. They are at a hotel. Charles and Annie Mehegan are hotel proprietors, and the other people at that address are hotel staff and other guests.

I don't know where the transcriber got the DOB 14 April 1900, as it doesn't appear anywhere on the image.

Ah, just spotted the Sister Mary Ciaran is listed as single. I wonder who/how she was renamed as Agnes Harrington.

Sorry about that, no idea where Hamilton came from, I've corrected it now.

I haven't found either of them in the 1939 yet. Is there any way of finding 28 Elystan Road, Chelsea in the 1911 census?

I don't think that Sister you found in 1939 can be our Agnes, because Anne (for whom I am doing this research) remembers visiting her in the 1950s at her home in Hastings - unless she was there as a retreat or something, though it does look very interesting. And yes, that is the death of Montague in Hastings.

The marriage you listed above is the one, though I had to send for the certificate twice, as it shows page 916 for him, and 915 for her - of course I applied for the wrong one first.

Montague B Harrington
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Montague B Harrington
[Montague D Harrington]
Registration Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1916
Registration district: Chelsea
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Agnes M Kelly
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 916