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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 15:14

1911 Census For England & Wales
21 Don View Conisboro Near Rotherham, Conisbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
George Cocksedge, Head Widower Male 41 1870 Miner Hewer County of Suffolk
John Cocksedge Son Single Male 20 1891 Miner Pony Driver Conisbro Yorkshire
Doris Cocksedge Daughter - Female 13 1898 - Mexbro Yorkshire
Minnie Cocksedge Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Carlton Nott
George Cocksedge Son - Male 5 1906 - Worksop Nott
Mary Dent Housekeeper Widow Female 42 1869 Housekeeper Worksop Nott



COCKSEDGE, GEORGE MOORE
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 35

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 15:03

DENT, MIRIAM (MMN) MOORE
GRO Reference: 1903 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 36

1939
Bellamoy Household (3 People)
57 Low Road , Doncaster C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Miriam Waterlon (Dent) 09 Feb 1903 Female Housekeeper Single 83 2
Samuel Bellamoy 18 Aug 1894 Male Butcher (Own Account) Married 83 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Can't see her in 1911 - yet


Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)

DENT Robert John Worksop 7b 54
Moore Mary Worksop 7b 54

From a tree on Ancestry
Birth of Daughter Doris Lily Campsall DENT(1897–1962)
08 Jul 1897 • Denaby Main, York, England
1897

28

Birth of Daughter Miriam DENT(1903–1948)
1903 • Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
1903

34

Death of Father John Campsall DENT(1843–1919)
Sep 1919 • Darlington, Yorkshire North Riding, England
1919

50

Death of Brother George Campsall DENT(1872–1928)
Jun 1928 • Rotherham, Yorkshire West Riding, England
1928

59

Death of Daughter Miriam DENT(1903–1948)
1948 • Doncaster, Yorkshire, England
1948

79

Death of Daughter Doris Lily Campsall DENT(1897–1962)
Mar 1962 • Doncaster, Yorkshire West Riding, England

Dea

Dea Report 12 Mar 2019 14:44

Did any of Valeries children have a connection to the Bedfordshire area?

I found this death and although the date of birth is a couple of years out, this is often the case on death certs as it depends on how much the informant knows about the deceased person:


Name: Valerie June Waters
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: 10 Jun 1942
Registration Date: Apr 2006
Registration district: Luton
Inferred County: Bedfordshire
Volume: -1
Page: -1
Register Number: A60F
District and Subdistrict: 315/1A

Dea x

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 14:38

Posting this as the forenames match, although the birth year is wrong

You can cross-refer the day and month with the birth cert


First name(s) VALERIE JUNE
Last name WATERS
Gender Female
Birth day 10
Birth month 6
Birth year 1942
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 2006
District Luton
District number 3151A
Register number A60F
Entry number 230
Date of registration mm/yy 0406
County Bedfordshire

EDITED

No, forget that one - there is a probable birth to match, on freebmd

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 14:30

So you know Valerie's DOB?

Don't post it on here, as it is an identity theft tool.

It may prove useful to get a copy of the marriage cert you think is hers, to find out the father's name

I find it strange that Mavis's birth was registered under two names if Mary's husband was the father. Not how it usually works

Lisa

Lisa Report 12 Mar 2019 13:41

No Mavis was Ernest Jones’s daughter. That’s for certain xx

Lisa

Lisa Report 12 Mar 2019 13:39

Yes my dad has Valerie’s birth cert xx

Lisa

Lisa Report 12 Mar 2019 13:36

Oh and so to answer you’re question how Keith and Valerie are related, they are half brother and sister. Same dad, different mum xxx

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 13:36

Mavis's birth was registered thus:

Births Sep 1932 (>99%)
Waterlow Mavis B King Doncaster 9c 1216
Jones Mavis B King Doncaster 9c 1216

The inference to be drawn is that Waterlow was the father

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 13:34

You haven't said whether you have any certificates for Valerie

Lisa

Lisa Report 12 Mar 2019 13:30

Hi, thanks for all you’re posts.... I shall set the record straight.
My nanna Mary King (maiden name) was married to Ernest Jones. He either died or they divorced. Mary then met Walter, they lived together but never married. Mary had a child to Ernest, Mavis Beryl Jones, she then went on to have two more children to Walter, Keith Waterlow (my dad) then Norma Waterlow. Mary and Walter split up. Walter then married Miriam Dent and Mary married Frank Bowater. Walter and Miriam had a child called Valerie June Waterlow. Miriam died in 1948 and not long after Walter died. Miriam’s sister (who’s name I don’t know) then raised Valerie. I think she owned the Rockingham pub in Doncaster. So that clears Valerie up.
As for my dad Keith, and Norma, they were raised by their mum and Frank. Now this is where all the names change cos Frank Bowater adopted my dad and Norma, so their names became BOWATER!!
The death record for Valerie isn’t her. Different name, different dates and she didn’t come back to Doncaster. I have checked all this. I did find 2 daughters of Valerie’s, Katherine Elizabeth Waters born 1976 and Joanna Claire Waters born 1974. Mothers maiden name Waterlow. Also on the electrol, Katherine Waters who had not married had her own house and the other occupant was Valerie J Waters.
I hope all this makes sense. I’ve come to a complete dead end now. I’ve looked at possible marriages for her daughters and found quite a few names who could of married Joanna. I’ve been on Facebook and messaged them all. No luck yet. There is another marriage for Valerie Waters to a ‘Jones’ but I can’t find anything out. Only that the marriage took place in Peterborough. My family tree on my dads side is a nightmare. Think my nanna married 3 times maybe 4...... I so need some help to find Valerie and/or her children. My dad is 83 and time is of the essence. Thank you all so much for looking for me. I’m touched that you have taken time from you’re lived to do this. If you’re wondering about my name, it was Lisa Bowater, I then married a Jeff Whittles and divorced him after 10 years and had my name changed to Lesa Waterlow. That really pleased my father. I then remarried to a Timothy Riordan, so now I’m Lesa Riordan. Yes I changed my first name spelling too. Anyway, if you can help anymore I’d appreciate it so much xxx

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 11:01

How certain are you, Lisa, about Valerie's second forename? Do you have her birth cert?

Dea

Dea Report 12 Mar 2019 11:00

I had been wondering what happened to that Mary Jones from the 1939 ErikaH - It looks like she does connect somewhere as the OP's name is Bowater !

Dea x

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 10:51

Mary married again

Marriages Jun 1949 (>99%)
Bowater Frank Jones Doncaster 2b 858
Bowater Frank King Doncaster 2b 858
Jones Mary Bowater Doncaster 2b 858
King Mary Bowater Doncaster 2b 858

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 12 Mar 2019 10:33

There is no record on freebmd of a full sibling for Valerie

Her parents' marriage

Marriages Jun 1942 (>99%)
Dent Miriam Waterlow Doncaster 9c 2264
Waterlow Walter Dent Doncaster 9c 2264

1939 for the father ??????????????

Waterlow Household (5 People)
10 Highfield Road , Doncaster C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Walter Waterlow 01 Nov 1889 Male Corporation Lorry Driver Widowed 127 1
Mary Jones 29 Apr 1909 Female Household Duties Married 127 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.


Marriages Dec 1926 (>99%)
Seymour Ivy Waterlow Doncaster 9c 1381
Waterlow Walter H Seymour Doncaster 9c 1381

Deaths Mar 1928 (>99%)
Waterlow Ivy 20 Doncaster 9c 976

Hardly time for Ivy to produce three children, unless there was a multiple birth

There are, however, three Waterlow births in Doncaster with MMN King in the 1930's


And this marriage

Marriages Sep 1929 (>99%)
Jones Ernest King Doncaster 9c 1854
KING Mary Jones Doncaster 9c 1854

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Mar 2019 10:20

her father possibly married in 1925 but his wife died aged 20 in 1928

there were no children

so how is Valerie connected to the posters father?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Mar 2019 09:44

As Valerie was only 5 when she was orphaned, was she adopted after that?
Perhaps her surname was changed?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Mar 2019 09:29

Dad didn't remarry

Deaths Sep 1949
Waterlow Walter 55 Doncaster 2b 306

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 12 Mar 2019 09:25

Her mum

MIRIAM
Last name WATERLOW
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1903
Age 45
Death quarter 2
Death year 1948
District Doncaster
County Yorkshire
Volume 2B
Page 344
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007


So she was 41 when Valerie was born

Did the dad remarry ??

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 12 Mar 2019 08:36

Is this the correct death?

Lisa said her name was Valerie June.

If Valerie J Waterlow were registered in September qtr 1944 in Doncaster, a birthdate of 23 Apr 1944, would be a late registration.

Rose