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Hi ErikaH
Thank you for all the info on the Ropers.
How you get the details for 1939 is brilliant.
The Heigolds is interesting as we know two families called Heigold. One used to live next door! You never know, may be related.
We have info for the Ropers up to 1926:
Sarah Beaman married John Thomas Roper in 1905. They had William (1906), Joseph (1907), Winifred (1908 d1908), Thomas (1909 d1909), Mary Lily (1910 d1911), Elizabeth (1912, d1912), female and male unnamed (1913 d1913), Agnes (1914 d1914), John (1916), Florence E (1917 d1917), Edward (1922), George (1924), Alexander (1926). Finding the deaths of the children was easy(ish), it is when they move on that they seem to disappear.
Feel very sorry for them with the number of deaths, but suppose it was a sign of the times.
Sarah lived to a good age. Her dad died in Rotherham in 1944, aged 85.
Clara, Sarah's older sister, had similar problems with deaths. Her and her first husband, John Davison (m1986 Sunderland), had Thomas Davison(1890 Seaham Harbour, assume to a different wife as Clara would only have been 11 then), Margaret Ann Davison (1897, Royston), William Davison (1898, Crofton), John Edward Davison (1899, Monk Bretton), she then married John Edward Trueman (1903, Leeds) and they had Alice (1904), Albert (1905), Agnes (1907) Winifred (1908 d1918), Robert (1909 d1909), William (1911 d1911), Lawrence (1911 d1911), Herbert (1912 d1912). Clara then died in 1912.
Once again, thank you for your time and effort into finding this info. We only have the standard platinum membership of Genes, so maybe need to invest in other available search areas.

ROPER, JOSEPH BEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 779
ROPER, WILLIAM BEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 729

Deaths Sep 1973 (>99%)
ROPER WILLIAM 17MR1906 ROTHERHAM 2C 1475
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Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Roper Male Beaman Rotherham 9c 1456
Roper Female Beaman Rotherham 9c 1457

Deaths Mar 1913 (>99%)
Roper Male 0 Rotherham 9c 924
Roper Female 0 Rotherham 9c 924
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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Roper Florence E Beaman Rotherham 9c 1211
Deaths Dec 1917 (>99%)
Roper Florence E 0 Rotherham 9c 717

First name(s) Florence Elsie
Last name Roper
Age 0
Birth year 1917
Death year 1917
Burial year 1917
Burial date 09 Nov 1917
Church Cemetery
Denomination Cemetery
Place Masbrough
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)

Name: John Roper
Registration Date: 1916
Registration district: Rotherham
Inferred County: South Yorkshire
Re-registration Year: 1916
Mother's Maiden Name: Beeman
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 1367

Maybe??

Name: John Roper
Registration Date: Jan-Feb-Mar 1943
Registration district: Rother Valley
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse: Gladys Weaver
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 1151

Name: Gladys Roper
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 23 Mar 1921
Registration Date: Mar 1998
Registration district: Rotherham
Inferred County: South Yorkshire
Register Number: B45B
District and Subdistrict: 0451B


1939
Weaver Household (5 People)
2 Vale Road , Rotherham R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Gladys Roper (Weaver) 23 Mar 1921 Female Steel Works Backer Single 82 4
Thomas Weaver 04 Jun 1880 Male Colliery Check Weighing (Above) Married 82 1
Mary Weaver 18 Apr 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 82 2
Herbert Weaver 23 Mar 1919 Male Motor Mechanic Single 82 3
Muriel Hewitt (Weaver) 25 May 1922 Female Steel Works Etcher Single 82 5

Although Sarah appeared to be living with Heigold in 1939, she waited for her husband to die before re-marrying. Didn't go to the expense and trouble of a divorce

Deaths Sep 1946 (>99%)
Roper John T 65 Rotherham 2c 523

Deaths Jun 1963 (>99%)
HEIGOLD SARAH 74 ROTHERHAM 2C 588

Deaths Mar 1965 (>99%)
HEIGOLD GEORGE H 79 Rotherham 2c 743

England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932

First name(s) Arthur
Last name Buckley
Year 1930
Season -
Polling district or place Worksop
Constituency P C of Nottinghamshire, Bassetlaw Division
Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Nottinghamshire, Bassetlaw Division
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Register type Parliamentary County
Archive
The British Library
Archive reference SPR.Mic.P.40/BL.N.47
Record set England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Electoral Rolls
Collections from Great Britain, England


1930 - 43 Rhodesia, Worksop (NE Ward)
John Edward Trueman
MaryTrueman
Arthur Buckley
Alice Buckley

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So looks possible John remarried, although ER's don't show relationships -

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1919 (>99%)
Higham Florence A Taylor Worksop 7b 145
Staniland Mary Trueman Worksop 7b 145 <<<<<<<<<<
Taylor Tom G Higham Worksop 7b 145
Trueman John Staniland Worksop 7b 145 <<<<<<<<<

Hi greyghost
Wow, that's amazing what you've found!
We've got a possibility of Alice marrying a Buckley in 1925, Albert a Simmons in 1923 or Seagrove in 1925, and Agnes possibly marrying a Tayor in 1932. This seems to be confirmed with your findings.
The death of Winifred in 1918 is useful as couldn't find any other info for her.
The Trueman family info that we've got is John and Clara (d1912), Thomas, Margaret and William (Davison from first marriage to John Davison), John Edward Davison (lived with grandfather Edward Beaman), then Alice, Albert, Agnes, Winifred and Herbert. Now know Winifred and Herbert died.
The military info is really useful. We haven't got access to info like that or if we have haven't found how to use it.
Will have a look at the freebmd site.
Find things confusing at times as people pop up then disappear then reappear with years missed out. Suppose it was the poor record keeping of the times.
Sorry to keep you up but your help has been invaluable.
Once again, thank you.

For the marriages of Alice, Albert and Agnes, you should be able to find birth records on the freebmd site.

Was meaning to have an early night, so that's it for now !!

Going back to John. No images to look at -
Anglo-Boer War Records 1899-1902

First name(s) J
Last name Trueman
Service number 5084
Rank Private
Regiment 1 Battalion The York And Lancaster Regiment
Rolls WO100/200
Biography -
Country Great Britain
Record set Anglo-Boer War Records 1899-1902
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Boer Wars
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

?????
As Albert was born 1905 am wondering about this record in Worksop. He may have been in the Armed Forces already so not recorded

Trueman Household (2 People)
2 Colbeck Street , Worksop M.B., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Annie E Trueman 02 Nov 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 130 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Ref: RG101/6246G/012/29 Letter Code: RNTD

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1932 (>99%)

Storey Annie E Trueman Worksop 7b 88
Trueman Albert E Storey Worksop 7b 88

Again by DOB in Service documents

Taylor Household (4 People)
75 South Avenue , Worksop M.B., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Agnes Taylor 10 Feb 1907 Female Domestic Duties Unpaid Married 93 2
William Henry Taylor 03 Apr 1902 Male Coal Mine Bricklayer (Below) Heavy Worker Married 93 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1932 (>99%)

Taylor William H Trueman Worksop 7b 113
Trueman Agnes Taylor Worksop 7b 113

As per .Alice's DOB in her Father's Service documents - and possibly the family moved back to the Worksop area

Buckley Household (3 People)
5 Prospect Place, Sandy Lane , Worksop M.B., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Alice Buckley 04 Dec 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Agricultural Worker Heavy Worker Married 171 2
Arthur Buckley 30 May 1900 Male Colliery Surface Worker Married 171 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

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which would be this marriage

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
Buckley Arthur Trueman Worksop 7b 113
Trueman Alice Buckley Worksop 7b 113

And then a 3rd Attestation 31.8.1914 for WW1 - noted as a Widower.

Transferred to Reserves 24.2.1919 address

British Army Service Records9 whither Yard, Worksop

First name(s) John
Last name Trueman
Age 34
Birth year 1880
Birth town Worksop
Birth county Nottinghamshire
Birth country England
Service number 14347
Regiment York and Lancaster Regiment
Unit / Battalion 2nd Battalion
Year 1914
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive
The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

There is a Death Certificate in the documents for Winifred
Died 14 November 1918 - can't read address where (looks like - see below for Aunt)
Aged 10
Of 9, Court 10, Worksop
Daughter of Joh Truman Private 2nd York and Lancasters (Coal Miner)
Cause - 1. Influenza 2. Pneumonia
Registered by Aunt EA Thompson Present at death of 81 Marecroft, Worksop

The local Registrar received 2s 7d for providing the Death Certificate to the Army

John received Gun Shot wounds to his arm. Documents were forwarded to Chelsea 1920

Address for first award - - 49 Trent Street, Worksop.

Served British Expeditionary Force France 1915 - 1918 with periods at Home

NOK recorded as
Daughter - Alice of 19 Kenneth Street, Rotherham
Father - Edward
Brothers - Albert, Robert, George, Rupert
Sisters - Edith, Alice and Emily

Hi there
Firstly many thanks for the replies.
ErikaH, that is very interesting info regarding the year 1939 and 1950. Will definitely look into those two items. As regards websites only used genesreunited.co.uk..
Greyghost, yes had noticed the Forces info, but was confused as there were also the references to civilian births.
Really appreciate the help, as new to all this.
Have got all Roper children up to 1926, 14 in all but quite a few deaths.
Regarding the Trueman got all children up to 1912, which was Clara's death (mother).

You may already have this but posting as I find

British Army Service Records

First name(s) John
Last name Trueman
Age 18
Birth year 1880
Birth town Worksop
Birth county Nottinghamshire
Birth country England
Service number 5084
Regiment York and Lancaster Regiment
Unit / Battalion 1st Battalion
Year 1898
Series WO 363
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Archive
The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None


The 65th (2nd Yorkshire, North Riding) Regiment of Foot was an infantry regiment of the British Army, raised in 1756 as the 2nd Battalion, 12th Regiment of Foot.[1][2][3] Under the Childers Reforms it amalgamated with the 84th (York and Lancaster) Regiment of Foot to become the 1st Battalion, York and Lancaster Regiment in 1881.[2][3][4]

Served 2 terms. Collier when attested at age 18 years 1 month
1898 -1910 and later in 1910 - 1914
Served South Africa 1899-1902
NOK originally - Father Edward Truman, White Hart Yard, Worksop

Married Clara Beaman Spinster Leeds Reg. Office 25.2.1903
Witnesses Arno Hodges and Sarah Oddy

Births -
Alice 4.12.1903 Worksop
Albert Edward - 14.7.1905 Worksop
Agnes - 10.2.1907Rotherham
Winifred - 18.1.1908 Rotherham

1910 Attestation gives Clara as NOK of 26 Shaftsbury Square, Rotherham

Four of the children appear to have also been registered as Regimental births -


Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices (1761 To 1924)
Archive reference REG1
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
First name(s) Alice
Sex Female
Last name Trueman
Birth year 1903
Regiment 65th Foot
Type Armed Forces
Country England
Place Worksop
Page 237
Archive
General Register Office
Record's year range 1903
Volume 909
Line number 31

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Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices (1761 To 1924)
Archive reference REG1
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
First name(s) Albert E
Sex Male
Last name Trueman
Birth year 1905
Regiment 65th Foot
Type Armed Forces
Country England
Place Worksop
Page 237
Archive
General Register Office
Record's year range 1905
Volume 909
Line number 30
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
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Record Transcription:
Gro Regimental Birth Indices (1761 To 1924)

Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices (1761 To 1924)
Archive reference REG1
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
First name(s) Agnes
Sex Female
Last name Trueman
Birth year 1907
Regiment 65th Foot
Type Armed Forces
Country England
Place Rotherham
Page 237
Archive
General Register Office
Record's year range 1907
Volume 909
Line number 29
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Re

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Source Gro Regimental Birth Indices (1761 To 1924)
Archive reference REG1
Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Births And Baptisms
First name(s) Winifred
Sex Female
Last name Trueman
Birth year 1908
Regiment 65th Foot
Type Armed Forces
Country England
Place Rotherham
Page 237
Archive
General Register Office
Record's year range 1908
Volume 909
Line number 73
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TRUEMAN, ALICE BEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 25

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TRUEMAN, ALBERT EDWARD BEMAN
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 29

TRUMAN, AGNES BEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 779

TRUEMAN, ROBERT BEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 742

TRUEMAN, LAWRENCE BEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 759

TRUEMAN, WILLIAM BEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 759

TRUEMAN, HERBERT BEAMAN
GRO Reference: 1912 M Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 1564

England & Wales Births 1837-2006

First name(s) WINIFRED
Last name TRUMAN
Birth year 1908
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Beaman
District Rotherham
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9C
Page 813

Robert, Lawrence, William and Herbert all sadly appear to have died the same years that they were born

1911 Census For England & Wales
26 Shaftesbury Square Rotherham, Rotherham, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Trueman Head Married Male 31 1880 Coal Miner Hewer Worksop Nottinghamshire
Clara Trueman Wife Married Female 32 1879 - Leeds Yorkshire
Thomas Davison Son - Male 17 1894 - Nostel Yorkshire
Margaret Davison Daughter - Female 14 1897 - Royston Yorkshire
Alice Trueman Daughter - Female 8 1903 - Worksop Nottinghamshire
Albert Trueman Son - Male 6 1905 - Worksop Nottinghamshire
Agnes Trueman Daughter - Female 4 1907 - Wickersley Yorkshire
Winifred Trueman Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Eastwood Yorkshire
Arthur Hurst Boarder Single Male 36 1875 Labourer Bradfield Yorkshire

1939

92 Rother View Road , Rotherham C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Sarah Hetgom (Roper) 16 Dec 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 155 5
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
George Hergold 16 Nov 1886 Male Corporation Electric Mains Labourer Single 155 3
John Roper 14 Feb 1916 Male Shunter General Labour Steel Works Single 155 4
Ernest Perry 05 Jun 1916 Male Assistant Roof Glaziers Steel Works Single 155 6
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Marriages Dec 1950 (>99%)

Heigold George H Roper Rotherham 2c 1217
Roper Sarah Heigold Rotherham 2c 1217

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1939
Hinchliffe Household (6 People)
229 Fitzwilliam Road , Rotherham C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England


John T Roper 28 Oct 1879 Male General Labourer Married 21 6
Albert E Hinchliffe 19 Nov 1899 Male General Labourer Married 21 1
Martha Hinchliffe 01 Oct 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 21 2
Frederick H Hinchliffe 17 May 1925 Male Butcher Boy Single 21 3
Albert E Hinchliffe 05 Nov 1927 Male At School Single 21 4
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