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Denise

Denise Report 1 Mar 2019 18:12

Thank you both.
So Winifred was married before and a widow at 24 then she married Edward Beaman.

Regarding Margaret, the 1911 census has her birth as 1897, but 1901 census as 1894.

Definitely know that John Edward was 1899. Wish he would have talked about his family, but you couldn't draw him on anything. When he died in 1970, understand that a brother came to the funeral but not Margaret.

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Mar 2019 18:12

Could this possibly be Winifred and Family in 1851?? Irish accent talking to a Yorkshireman

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
9, Back York Street, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Tansey Head Married Male 50 1801 Labourer Ireland
Yeaney Tansey Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Ireland
Charles Tansey Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 None (Criple) Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Lawrence Tansey Son Unmarried Male 11 1840 None (Criple) Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Michael Tansey Son Unmarried Male 9 1842 None (Criple) Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Ann Tansey Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 Labourer Lame Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Young Fett Tansey Daughter Unmarried Female 1 1850 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Mar 2019 18:00

Winifred born a bit earlier than the 1881 census suggests

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TANSEY, WINIFRED ARMSTRONG
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in LEEDS Volume 23 Page 419

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Back of York Street, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Peacock Head - Male 20 1851 - Yorkshire, England
Winifred Peacock Wife - Female 20 1851 - Yorkshire, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:57


1871
Name: Winifred Peacock
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Thomas Peacock
Gender: Female
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: Leeds
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 25
Piece: 4551
Folio: 19
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Peacock 20
Winifred Peacock 20

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Mar 2019 17:56

If this is the correct birth reg. for Clara and the marriage posted by ErikaH is correct then Winifred was previously married?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BEAUMONT, CLARA TANZEY
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in LEEDS Volume 09B Page 432

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Possible for the marriage -

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%)
CROWTHER Joe Leeds 9b 641
PEACOCK Thomas Leeds 9b 641
SELLERS Emma Leeds 9b 641
TANSEY Winifred Leeds 9b 641

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:56

Name: Winifred Tansey
Marriage Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1850
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1870
Marriage Place: Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Father: John Tansey
Spouse: Thomas Peacock

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:53

Margaret was born 1894 at the latest

Winifred was married BEFORE she married Edward

Name: Winifred Peacock********WIDOW
Marriage Age: 24
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1853
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1877
Marriage Place: Batley, All Saints, Yorkshire, Englan

Father: John Tansey
Spouse: Edward Bamen

Denise

Denise Report 1 Mar 2019 17:37

Possibly be Margaret's mother as in 1897 she would have been 17/18. Wonder if the marriage had to be due to pregnancy. definitely not mother of Thomas.
Found that Edward Beaman married a Winifred (according to birth of Sarah, mother's maiden name was Tanzie but could be a Tansey if misspelt).

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:32

For info - and to help others

Name: Edward Bamen
Marriage Age: 20
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1857
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1877
Marriage Place: Batley, All Saints, Yorkshire, England

Father: John Bamen
Spouse: Winifred Peacock

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:30

1881

Balaclava Terrace, West Ardsley, Wakefield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Edward Beaman Head Married Male 24 1857 Coal Miner Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Winifred Beaman Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Clara Beaman Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England



ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:26

Neither Thomas nor Margaret can be Clara's children unless she was giving birth at the age of approx 13

Denise

Denise Report 1 Mar 2019 17:18

Yes she was born in 1879/1880, so 1891 census would be correct.
Looks like the 1901 census filled in wrongly' maybe to make Thomas look legitimate?

Denise

Denise Report 1 Mar 2019 17:16

Hi ErikaH
1901 Census. Ah, spellings make all the difference!
Thank you so much.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:13

Clara's age is wrong in 1901, if this is correct

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Australia Street, Seaham, Easington, Durham, England


Edward Beaman Head Married Male 34 1857 Coal Miner Staffordshire, England
Winifred Beaman Wife Married Female 38 1853 - Yorkshire, England
William Beaman Son - Male 17 1874 Coal Miner Yorkshire, England
Clara Beaman Daughter - Female 11 1880 - Yorkshire, England
Sarah Beaman Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Northumberland, England

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:07

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
Beaman Clara Sunderland 10a 922
DAVISON John Sunderland 10a 922

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 17:03

FMP version of 1901

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
8, Fourth Street, Crofton, Wakefield, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

John Davinson Head Married Male 28 1873 Coal Miner Hewer (Below) Durham, England
Clara Davinson Wife Married Female 27 1874 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Davinson Son Single Male 11 1890 - Durham, England
Margaret Davinson Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Royston, Yorkshire, England
John E Davinson Son - Male 5 1896 - Yorkshire, England
William Davinson Son - Male 3 1898 - Crofton, Yorkshire, England
Edward Beman Boarder Married Male 46 1855 Coal Miner Hewer Staffordshire, England
Winifred Beman Boarders Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Sarah Beman Boarders Daur Single Female 14 1887 - Bingley, Yorkshire, England
William Driscol Boarder Single Male 23 1878 Coal Miner Hewer -

Denise

Denise Report 1 Mar 2019 16:53

Thank you.
Will have a look at both of them.
Ancestry seems good with the trial period.
If you are willing to help (but please don't go out of your way) then any info on:
John Davison b1873, Seaham Harbour.
Think he died in 1907 in Tynemouth.
Know about his parents, Matthew and Isabella and siblings.
Mainly info on:
He married Clara Beaman in Sunderland in 1896.
They had Thomas (b1890 or 1894 Seaham Harbour or Nostel) (think to a different wife as Cara would be too young at 11/15 and unmarried or maybe?).
Margaret Ann Davison (b1897 Royston, Barnsley).
William Davison (b1898 Crofton, Wakefield).
John Edward Davison (b1899, Monk Bretton, Barnsley).
Know about John Edward as grandfather but he wouldn't talk about his family, so all a blank about others.
They don't come up on Genes on any searches we've done and visited Rotherham archives and no mention there.
Only know as a child that Aunty Maggie used to visit, so assume it was Margaret Ann Davison.
Have written down the 1901 census for the family, but it doesn't come up on Genes at all. There was John, Clara, Thomas, Margaret, John Edward, William, Edward Beaman (father in law), Winifred Beaman (mother in law), Sarah Beaman (eventual Sarah Roper).
Know in 1911 that John Edward was living with Edward Beaman and Winifred Beaman (though she died in April 1911) at 2 Tusmore St, Rotherham. We've info on 1911 for Clara and family.
Don't know what happened to John and Clara after 1901 except they were no longer together and think John went back to the North East (possibly parents). Clara married a John Edward Trueman (lots of info on this now from another member).
Much appreciated what you have done so far.
Just a point in the right direction will do. Don't expect you to do all the work.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 16:07

I use both Find my Past and Ancestry.co.uk

Both cost over £100 per year, although you can get a two week free trial with Ancestry if you register your credit card with them. Don't forget to cancel if you go down that route!

But people on here love to help, so unless you particularly want to find the info yourself, (many people do) post your specific queries and see what happens

Denise

Denise Report 1 Mar 2019 15:55

Hi ErikaH
Anything you would recommend that is better than Genes?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 1 Mar 2019 15:49

Genes is not the best place for research
Most people just have basic membership here and use it as a sounding board.