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Unless you have an idea of who the closed record might be, then you can't get it opened.

Kath. x

Just a thought, the closed records, need death cert to open, how can we do this if we don't know who's names on the registration ??

Thanks all ! You are all amazing :-)

Children for Charles and Catherine.


GRIFFIN, CHARLES WILLIAM MCALLISTER
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 746

GRIFFIN, ELIZABETH SHEELS MCALLISTER
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 713

GRIFFIN, VICTOR ALEXANDER SCHEEL MCALLISTER
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 741

GRIFFIN, ISABELLA MITCHELL MCALLISTER
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 812

GRIFFIN, CHARLES MCALLISTER
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 775

GRIFFIN, EMMA MARIA MCALLISTER
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 830

GRIFFIN, MARY ELLEN MCALLISTER
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 812

GRIFFIN, ROBERT KENRICK MCALLISTER
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 886

and ??? Catherine was Catherine LAWSON McAllister.

GRIFFIN, CHARLES WILLIAM LAWSON
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 906

You can only get a "closed record" opened on the 1939 register if you have a death certificate and submit it to Findmypast.

Kath. x

If you look on https://www.freebmd.org.uk, there appears to be 3 children born to Robert and his wife. A daughter in 1935 and 2 sons, 1937 and 1942.

For Robert, the only living son as far as I know was 5 when he was born , unless there is older son left home ? All girls living home on census

For Robert, the only living son as far as I know was 5 when he was born , unless there is older son left home ? All girls living home on census

How do we opened closed record, ? So frustrating, mind this might just Ba a hush hush bs y as they used to say

Wow you're quick! Yeh that's his wife, also he lived in Cambridge street also ? ,

Robert in 1939.

Griffin Household (4 People) 5 Kyffin View , South Shields C.B., Durham, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Robert L Griffin 04 Jun 1910 Male Colliery Putter (Coal) Married 289 1
Marguerite Murray (Griffin) 26 Aug 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 289 2
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Norman also married a Harriet which makes it confusing . That's interesting . So,Norman born 1922, 2nd Feb, living with coquet avenue in 1939,with Harriet and his grandmother ?other two household member blanked out , rumour had it he was mixed race, no proof of this as yet, lots of living family who have no info, his wife still living but has dementia ??, Norman died in 1992

Robert's birth certificate would give you his parent's names (or at least his mother's name if father not known). :-

First name(s) ROBERT L
Last name GRIFFIN
Birth year 1910
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name -
District South Shields
County Durham
Country England
Volume 10A
Page 854A
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births

His middle name is Luther according to the GRO Indexes.

Kath. x

Ah I see he was born 22 Feb 1922. If he was born whilst his mother was unmarried, you may never find out who his father was.


Anderson Household (1 Person) 21 Coquet Avenue , South Shields C.B., Durham, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Harriet Anderson 27 Apr 1903 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 260 2


and next door.


Griffin Household (4 People) 23 Coquet Avenue , South Shields C.B., Durham, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Norman Griffin 02 Feb 1922 Male Colliery Datal Lay Below Single 259 3
Catherine Griffin 23 Dec 1869 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 259 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.


Did he marry Harriet Jordan in 1945? Perhaps he named his father on that if he knew him.

Eeee yes, blonde moment here, yeh we have this info, Robert married marguerite Jackson in 1834, had son of same name in 1837, also same name death in 57 ( maybe) in Smethwick, wostershire ?

Possibly a marriage for Harriet. What year was Norman born in?

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Year of death: 1983
First name(s) HARRIET
Last name GRIFFIN
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1926
Registration month -

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HARRIET GRIFFIN married one of these people

William J Anderson
Spouse's last name Anderson
District South Shields

Phew, you're talking about 1910 not 2010! Dont feel comfortable posting about living people especially not so recent.

1911 Census For England & Wales

111 Maxwell Street South Shields, South Shields, Durham, England

Charles William Griffin Head Married Male 42 1869 Dock Laboar Durham South Shields
Catherine Griffin Wife Married Female 41 1870 - Durham South Shields
Elizabeth Griffin Daughter Single Female 19 1892 - Durham South Shields
Isabella Griffin Daughter Single Female 15 1896 - Durham South Shields
Emma Maria Griffin Daughter Single Female 12 1899 School Durham South Shields
Harriet Griffin Daughter Single Female 9 1902 School Durham South Shields
Mary Ellen Griffin Daughter Single Female 7 1904 School Durham South Shields
Charles William Griffin Son Single Male 5 1906 School Durham South Shields
Robert Lether Griffin Grandson Single Male 0 1911 - Durham South Shields



EDIT 11 children born, 5 have died.



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

161, East Adelaide Street, South Shields, Durham, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles W Griffen Head Married Male 31 1870 Painters Labourer South Shields, Durham, England
Catherine Griffen Wife Married Female 30 1871 Dundee, Scotland
Elizabeth S Griffen Daughter - Female 7 1894 - South Shields, Durham, England
Isabella M Griffen Daughter - Female 5 1896 - South Shields, Durham, England
Emma M Griffen Daughter - Female 1 1900 - South Shields, Durham, England

Norman, son of Harriet griffin, grandson of Charles William and Catherine griffin, no father in birth certificate, no further findings, another grandson, Robert Lether Griffin, born 2010. At same address , maxwell street with all griffin family members, no clues as to his parents , found a margarite griffin and Robert lether griffin , with son Robert lether griffin, no further findings , any help appreciated .