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Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 22:23

Neither of the Margaret Kellys born in CoDurham between 1899 and 1901 has mother with maiden name of Allison or Ellison

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1899
KELLY Margaret Darlington 10a 1
Births Dec 1899
Kelly Margaret Durham 10a 393

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 9 Feb 2019 20:14

Best wait for the marriage certificate to confirm her father's name and occupation. I do think the Durham family is the correct one.

Given the names she gave her children I think the Irish birth is quite likely.

Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 19:22

So if the Dungannon Margaret Ellison is the right one, the Durham one probably isn't, as the 1901 said she was born in USA. Unless that's just an error on the part of the census taker, which has been known to happen.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 9 Feb 2019 19:00

Census Years1901TyroneAghnahoeBallynahayeResidents of a house
Residents of a house 4 in Ballynahaye (Aghnahoe, Tyrone)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Ellison James 62 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Co Tyrone Farmer Read and write - Widower -
Ellison Alexander 30 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Tyrone Engine Driver Read and write - Not Married -
Ellison Arnold 21 Male Son Church of Ireland Co Tyrone Grocer Read and write - Not Married -
Ellison Winnie 18 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Co Tyrone Farmer's Daughter Read and write - Not Married -
Donaghy Patrick 21 Male Servant Roman Catholic Co Tyrone Farm Servant Cannot read - Not Married -

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 9 Feb 2019 18:57

?????

Name MARGARET ELLISON
Date of Birth 1872, 6 March
Group Registration ID 11647068
SR District/Reg Area Dungannon
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R
Image

Father James, a farmer
Mother Margaret formerly Johnston
Birth register by (looks like) Elspet Johnston

Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 18:34

Certificate ordered, now to wait another week.

Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 18:09

Thank you so much for the time you are putting into this, Anne is very grateful to you. I hope you are finding it as intriguing as I am.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Feb 2019 18:00

It would tell you her father's name (assuming she knew it) and occupation, and whether he was alive or deceased.
It wouldn't tell you where she was born.

Her father's details might or might not be a helpful clue - but at least more than we have to go on at the moment!

Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 17:57

Anne is willing to buy any certificates necessary - would the marriage certificate show where she was born though? Or would the clue be in her father's details?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 17:35

I think to progress with Margaret Ellison/ Allison you'll need the marriage certificate. I'm not convinced that Margaret was born in the US. There was a large Ellison family living in and around Ballynahaye- despite marrying in Lanchester I wonder if she was also from Ireland.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Feb 2019 15:21

Elizabeth B Davies (nee Kelly) in 1965.
No other Davies-es with her. Other names in different flats all at no.35.

Elizabeth B Davies
in the Edinburgh, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1966
Name: Elizabeth B Davies
Residence Year: 1965
Street address: Montrose Terrace 35
Residence Place: Edinburgh, Scotland



With David Davies in 1950:

Elizabeth Davies
in the Edinburgh, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1966
Name: Elizabeth Davies
Residence Year: 1950
Street address: Montrose Terrace 35
Residence Place: Edinburgh, Scotland


David's not with her in 1955:

Elizabeth Davies
in the Edinburgh, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1966
Name: Elizabeth Davies
Residence Year: 1955
Street address: Montrose Terrace 35
Residence Place: Edinburgh, Scotland

Possibly David's death:

DAVIES
DAVID
60
1952
685/5 434
George Square

Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 14:48

I wonder if this could be Peter :

Name: Peter Kelly
Arrival Age: 30
Birth Date: abt 1862
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 11 May 1892
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: City of Paris
Official Number: 96289

Listed as Labourer, accompanied by Mary Kelly aged, 8, also Dennis Kelly aged 26.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 14:45

And just to confirm, the possible death I posted earlier for Margaret's sister Elizabeth (Bridget) Kelly is correct:

She married David Davies in 1926:

Marriage:
ELIZABETH KELLY (Spinster)
Address: Conservatice Club, Princes Street, Edinburgh
Occupation: Club Waitress)
Father: Peter Kelly (general Labourer)
Mother: Margaret Kelly (formerly Allison) deceased
Spouse: DAVID DAVIES
Year:11th February 1926
Ref: 685/4 166
Place: St Giles
----------------------------

Posting death again, just to keep info together:

Death:

ELIZABETH BRIDG.. DAVIES/ KELLY

Age: 72

Mother's maiden name: ELLISON

Year: 1975

Ref: 742/ 414

RD name: Canongate and Portobello

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 13:59

Just backtracking slightly, but wanted to post before I forget:

Ireland, Select Catholic Confirmation Registers,

Name: James Kelly
Confirmation Age: 16
Birth Date: abt 1899
Confirmation Date: 11 May 1915
Confirmation Place: Armagh, Armagh, Ireland
Other Parish Name: Ballymacelroy Ballygawley
Father: Peter
Mother: Margt Ellison
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There is also this confirmation which as a slight possible refers to the Mary Kelly born in the US:
Name: Mary Cecilia Josephine Kelly
Gender: Female
Confirmation Age: 16
Birth Date: abt 1889
Confirmation Date: 1905-1912
Confirmation Place: Kilmactigue, Sligo, Ireland
Other Parish Name: Tourlestrane
Father: Peter Kelly
Mother: Mary Carr

Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 13:55

42 when Owen was born, 48 for Peter - perhaps they are the youngest of a very large brood!

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 9 Feb 2019 12:55

From the marriages both Mary Kerr and Margaret Kerr give their father as Patrick, a farmer.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 12:13

Can't see the marriage yet, but it would be parish register rather than civil registration. Just looking at the ages of Peter and Bridget- I suspect either their ages are slightly out or their son Peter was born earlier than c1865 (or perhaps he was an illegitimate so of one of the daughters?). Need to look into this a bit more

Killeeshil is the civil parish for Ballynahaye:

Name: Brigidam Kelly
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1853
Baptism Date: 29 May 1853
Baptism Place: Killeeshil, Tyrone, Ireland
Parish Variants: Kileeshil
Diocese: Armagh
Father: Petro Kelly
Mother: Brigida Canlan

Bridget Kelly married James McQuade 1883 Dungannon. Bridget's address was Ballynhaye and father listed as Peter Kelly (farmer). Her son, Patrick McQuade, was living with brother Owen Kelly in 1901.
-----------------------------

Name: Eugenius Kelly
[Eugene Kelly]
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1855
Baptism Date: 21 Aug 1855
Baptism Place: Killeeshil, Tyrone, Ireland
Parish Variants: Kileeshil
Diocese: Armagh
Father: Petro Kelly
Mother: Brigeda Conlan
------------------------

Name: Catharinam Kelly
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1858
Baptism Date: 8 Jun 1858
Baptism Place: Killeeshil, Tyrone, Ireland
Parish Variants: Kileeshil
Diocese: Armagh
Father: Petro Kelly
Mother: Brigida Conlan

Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 11:16

AustinQ, how on earth do you find all these treasures? You are a wonder!!! Thank you so much for the time you are putting into this.

I'm still looking for Margaret Allison in the USA, and the Peter Kelly/Bridget Conlin marriage in Ireland.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 10:05

This is a brother of Peter- living on their late father's farm:

1911
Residents of a house 49 in Ballynahaye (Aghnahoe, Tyrone)
Kelly Owen 55 Male Head of Family Catholic Co Tyrone Farmer Married
Kelly Margaret 46 Female Wife Catholic Co Tyrone Married - 10 5 5
Kelly Peter 9 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly Patrick 8 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly Mary 6 Female Daughter Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly Owen 4 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
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Owen's marriage (wondering if Margaret Kerr was sister of Mary Kerr/ Carr):

Party 1 Name OWEN KELLY (Farmer's son, Ballynhaye Ballygawley)
Father: Peter Kelly
Party 2 Name MARGARET KERR
Father: Patrick Kerr
Date of Event 19 June 1901
Group Registration ID 2478518
SR District/Reg Area Clogher

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 09:47

Death of Peter's father:

Name PETER KELLY (married, farmer)
Date of Death 20th March 1892
Address: Ballynahaye
Group Registration ID 3585290
SR District/Reg Area Dungannon
Deceased Age at Death 78
Informant: Bridget Kelly (present at death, Ballynahaye)

Death of Peter's mother:

Name BRIDGET KELLY (widow of farmer)
Date of Death 15th August 1896
Address: Ballynahaye
Group Registration ID 4134796
SR District/Reg Area Dungannon
Deceased Age at Death 80
Informant: Patrick Kerr (a distant relation, present at death)