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AustinQ
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8 Feb 2019 16:46 |
I'm thinking this is the family in 1911. Places of birth are incorrect, but all seems to fit. Bear in mind that Annie is already accounted for in Antrim in 1911:
Residents of a house 31 in Ballygawley Town (Ballygawley, Tyrone) Kelly Peter 47 Male Head of Family R Catholic Co Tyrone General Labourer Widower Kelly James 14 Male Son R Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar Kelly John 7 Male Son R Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar Kelly Maggy 12 Female Daughter R Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar Kelly Lizzie 9 Female Daughter R Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
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Janet
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8 Feb 2019 16:46 |
This is from the main tree I've been building: http://prntscr.com/migrde
and this is from the temporary one, based on the 1901 census above: http://prntscr.com/migrqo
The names correspond perfectly, but the dates don't. How safe do you reckon it is to accept the 1901 information?
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AustinQ
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8 Feb 2019 16:48 |
And possibly Lizzie/ Elizabeth's birth:
Birth 3 February 1903 Elizabeth Kelly Address: Ballygawley Father: Peter Kelly (Grocer) Mother: Margaret Kelly (maiden surname: Ellison) -----------------------
Also these children:
Birth of ELLEN KELLY on 02 April 1907 Group Registration ID 673126 SR District/Reg Area Clogher Sex Female Mother's Birth Surname ELLISON
Birth of ALICE KELLY on 15 March 1909 Group Registration ID 910268 SR District/Reg Area Clogher Sex Female Mother's Birth Surname ELLISON
Birth of JOHN KELLY on 07 November 1904 Group Registration ID 506143 SR District/Reg Area Clogher Sex Male Mother's Birth Surname ELLISON
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AustinQ
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8 Feb 2019 16:50 |
You've made a mistake- Ann Jane (Annie that married James Hamill) was born c 1887- this is confirmed by baptism and death
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AustinQ
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8 Feb 2019 16:59 |
And Margaret (nee Ellison) death:
Name MARGARET KELLY Date of Death 1909 Group Registration ID 5029690 SR District/Reg Area Clogher Deceased Age at Death 37
Married- wife of a labourer Cause: General tuberculosis, one year certified Informant: Peter Kelly, widow (of Ballygawley)
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rootgatherer
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8 Feb 2019 17:05 |
Here's another child from the first marriage.
Peter Last name Kelly Birth year 1886 Birth date 16 Sep 1886 Baptism year 1886 Baptism date 19 Sep 1886 Parish St Raphael Location Manhattan County Manhattan State New York Country United States Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name Corr Father's first name(s) Peter Father's last name Kelly Archdiocese New York Record set New York Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from Americas, United States
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Janet
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8 Feb 2019 17:14 |
I think that Peter must have died then, because Peter Snr and Annie Scullion had a son Peter, the one who was reported missing at sea/
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8 Feb 2019 17:25 |
Yes, I thought that too. I have looked for a death for him and his mother in New York but don't see them. Have tried looking for incoming passenger lists but I think maybe Ancestry is better than FMP for that.
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Janet
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8 Feb 2019 17:48 |
Is there any way of finding Margaret Allison/Ellison's birth in USA, to find her parents?
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Janet
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8 Feb 2019 18:36 |
A female Kelly was born on board City of Berlin, 31st May, 1883, to Peter Kelly and Mary nee Carr.
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ArgyllGran
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8 Feb 2019 20:47 |
You need a copy of the Ellison/Kelly marriage cert to find out Margaret's father's name.
If her age at death is correct, there's this baptism - BUT I have no idea if that's her. We don't know where in the USA your Margaret was born. I imagine Peter met her while he was living in New York - but she wasn't necessarily born there:
Margaretta Allison in the U.S., Presbyterian Church Records, 1701-1970 Name: Margaretta Allison Gender: Female Event Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 9 May 1872 Baptism Place: Congers, New York, USA Church: Rockland Lake Presbyterian Church Father: Jacob Allison Mother: Susan Allison
EDIT:
NO< that's not her - see next post.
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ArgyllGran
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8 Feb 2019 21:15 |
NO, that's not your Margaret. Baptised 1872, but actually born 1863.
Margaretta Ellison in the 1870 United States Federal Census Name: Margaretta Ellison [Margaretta Allison] Age in 1870: 7 Birth Year: abt 1863 Birthplace: New York Dwelling Number: 842 Home in 1870: Clarkstown, Rockland, New York Race: White Gender: Female Inferred Father: Jacob Ellison Inferred Mother: Susan M Ellison Household Members: Name Age Jacob Ellison 45 Susan M Ellison 32 Thomas S Ellison 9 Margaretta Ellison 7 Asa Ellison 4
Margretta Allison in the 1880 United States Federal Census Name: Margretta Allison Age: 17 Birth Date: Abt 1863 Birthplace: New York Home in 1880: Orangetown, Rockland, New York, USA Dwelling Number: 98 Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Daughter Father's name: Jacob Allison Father's Birthplace: New York Mother's name: Susan Allison Mother's Birthplace: New York Occupation: At Home Attended School: Yes Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age Jacob Allison 31 Susan Allison 44 Thomas Allison 19
Margarett Allison in the 1900 United States Federal Census Name: Margarett Allison [Margaret Allison] Age: 36 Birth Date: Sep 1863 Birthplace: New York Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York Street: 1st Avenue 26rd & 28th Strets East Sheet Number: 1 institution: Bellevue Hospital Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Employee Marital status: Single Father's Birthplace: New York Mother's Birthplace: New York Occupation: Helper Months Not Employed: 0 Can Read: Yes Can Write: Yes Can Speak English: Yes Margretta Allison 17 Asa Allison 14 Jacob Allison 8
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Janet
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8 Feb 2019 21:25 |
Thank you so much. May I ask why you think this one is the correct family? I found one where the parents were born in Scotland, and wondered if that might be of interest.
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Janet
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8 Feb 2019 22:00 |
Name: Margaret A. Allison Age: 9 Birth Date: Abt 1871 Birthplace: New York Home in 1880: New York City, New York, New York, USA Street: West Thirteenth Street House Number: 211 Dwelling Number: 33 Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Daughter Marital status: Single Father's name: John W. Allison Father's Birthplace: Scotland Mother's name: Annie A. Allison Mother's Birthplace: Scotland Occupation: School Attended School: Yes Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John W. Allison 37 Annie A. Allison 33 Alexander Allison 13 Margaret A. Allison 9 John Allison 6 Walter S. Allison 1
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Janet
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8 Feb 2019 22:17 |
Ah, I have found a snag. If that Margaret Allison/Ellison is in the 1900 USA census, she can't be marrying Peter Kelly in England in 1899.
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AustinQ
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9 Feb 2019 09:02 |
This is Peter Kelly's/ Margaret Ellison's daughter, Ellen. She isn't with her father on the 1911 census. She is staying with her Uncle and Aunt- Bernard and Mary Conway (nee Kelly). Presumably Mary is Peter's sister (or close family member):
Ellen's birth: Birth of ELLEN KELLY on 02 April 1907 Group Registration ID 673126 SR District/Reg Area Clogher Sex Female Father: Peter Kelly Mother: Margaret Kelly (maiden name: Ellison) Address: Ballygawley
1911: Residents of a house 7 in Gortfin (Athenree, Tyrone) Bernard Conway Head of Family Married 50 1861 Tyrone Mary Conway Wife Married 64 1847 Tyrone John Conway Son Single 21 1890 Tyrone Maggie An Conway Daughter Single 20 1891 Tyrone Mary Conway Daughter Single 17 1894 Tyrone Bridget Conway Mother Widowed 86 1825 Tyrone Ellen Kelly Niece Single 4 1907 Tyrone ----------------------------
Bernard Conway and Mary Kelly marriage:
Party 1 Name BERNARD CONWAY (bachelor, full age, farmer) father: Michael Conway (farmer) Party 2 Name MARY KELLY (spinster, full age, labourer) Father: Peter Kelly (farmer) Date of Event 15 January 1888 Group Registration ID 2443953 SR District/Reg Area Dungannon
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Janet
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9 Feb 2019 09:12 |
No, mine is no good either, Margaret Allison is in the 1900 census with married name of Cable.
I have found another record with clearer writing which shows that Peter Snr's mother wasn't Donlan, but Conlan or even Conlin.
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AustinQ
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9 Feb 2019 09:23 |
Given that we've now found Peter's sister marrying in Dungannon, I'm certain the possible marriage I posted earlier is correct:
marriage Party 1 Name PETER KELLY Father: Peter Kelly (farmer) Party 2 Name MARY KERR Father: Patrick Kerr (farmer) Date of Event 09 May 1883 Group Registration ID 2242037 SR District/Reg Area Dungannon --------------------------
I believe it was a hasty marriage given that Peter and Mary had a daughter on 31st may 1883 on the ship City of Berlin.
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AustinQ
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9 Feb 2019 09:47 |
Death of Peter's father:
Name PETER KELLY (married, farmer) Date of Death 20th March 1892 Address: Ballynahaye Group Registration ID 3585290 SR District/Reg Area Dungannon Deceased Age at Death 78 Informant: Bridget Kelly (present at death, Ballynahaye)
Death of Peter's mother:
Name BRIDGET KELLY (widow of farmer) Date of Death 15th August 1896 Address: Ballynahaye Group Registration ID 4134796 SR District/Reg Area Dungannon Deceased Age at Death 80 Informant: Patrick Kerr (a distant relation, present at death)
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AustinQ
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9 Feb 2019 10:05 |
This is a brother of Peter- living on their late father's farm:
1911 Residents of a house 49 in Ballynahaye (Aghnahoe, Tyrone) Kelly Owen 55 Male Head of Family Catholic Co Tyrone Farmer Married Kelly Margaret 46 Female Wife Catholic Co Tyrone Married - 10 5 5 Kelly Peter 9 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar Kelly Patrick 8 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar Kelly Mary 6 Female Daughter Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar Kelly Owen 4 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar -----------------------
Owen's marriage (wondering if Margaret Kerr was sister of Mary Kerr/ Carr):
Party 1 Name OWEN KELLY (Farmer's son, Ballynhaye Ballygawley) Father: Peter Kelly Party 2 Name MARGARET KERR Father: Patrick Kerr Date of Event 19 June 1901 Group Registration ID 2478518 SR District/Reg Area Clogher
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