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AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Feb 2019 16:46

I'm thinking this is the family in 1911. Places of birth are incorrect, but all seems to fit. Bear in mind that Annie is already accounted for in Antrim in 1911:

Residents of a house 31 in Ballygawley Town (Ballygawley, Tyrone)
Kelly Peter 47 Male Head of Family R Catholic Co Tyrone General Labourer Widower
Kelly James 14 Male Son R Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly John 7 Male Son R Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly Maggy 12 Female Daughter R Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly Lizzie 9 Female Daughter R Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar

Janet

Janet Report 8 Feb 2019 16:46

This is from the main tree I've been building: http://prntscr.com/migrde

and this is from the temporary one, based on the 1901 census above: http://prntscr.com/migrqo

The names correspond perfectly, but the dates don't. How safe do you reckon it is to accept the 1901 information?

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Feb 2019 16:48

And possibly Lizzie/ Elizabeth's birth:

Birth 3 February 1903
Elizabeth Kelly
Address: Ballygawley
Father: Peter Kelly (Grocer)
Mother: Margaret Kelly (maiden surname: Ellison)
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Also these children:

Birth of ELLEN KELLY on 02 April 1907
Group Registration ID 673126
SR District/Reg Area Clogher
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname ELLISON

Birth of ALICE KELLY on 15 March 1909
Group Registration ID 910268
SR District/Reg Area Clogher
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname ELLISON

Birth of JOHN KELLY on 07 November 1904
Group Registration ID 506143
SR District/Reg Area Clogher
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname ELLISON

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Feb 2019 16:50

You've made a mistake- Ann Jane (Annie that married James Hamill) was born c 1887- this is confirmed by baptism and death

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Feb 2019 16:59

And Margaret (nee Ellison) death:

Name MARGARET KELLY
Date of Death 1909
Group Registration ID 5029690
SR District/Reg Area Clogher
Deceased Age at Death 37

Married- wife of a labourer
Cause: General tuberculosis, one year certified
Informant: Peter Kelly, widow (of Ballygawley)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Feb 2019 17:05

Here's another child from the first marriage.

Peter
Last name Kelly
Birth year 1886
Birth date 16 Sep 1886
Baptism year 1886
Baptism date 19 Sep 1886
Parish St Raphael
Location Manhattan
County Manhattan
State New York
Country United States
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Corr
Father's first name(s) Peter
Father's last name Kelly
Archdiocese New York
Record set New York Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Americas, United States

Janet

Janet Report 8 Feb 2019 17:14

I think that Peter must have died then, because Peter Snr and Annie Scullion had a son Peter, the one who was reported missing at sea/

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 8 Feb 2019 17:25

Yes, I thought that too. I have looked for a death for him and his mother in New York but don't see them. Have tried looking for incoming passenger lists but I think maybe Ancestry is better than FMP for that.

Janet

Janet Report 8 Feb 2019 17:48

Is there any way of finding Margaret Allison/Ellison's birth in USA, to find her parents?

Janet

Janet Report 8 Feb 2019 18:36

A female Kelly was born on board City of Berlin, 31st May, 1883, to Peter Kelly and Mary nee Carr.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Feb 2019 20:47

You need a copy of the Ellison/Kelly marriage cert to find out Margaret's father's name.


If her age at death is correct, there's this baptism - BUT I have no idea if that's her. We don't know where in the USA your Margaret was born.
I imagine Peter met her while he was living in New York - but she wasn't necessarily born there:

Margaretta Allison
in the U.S., Presbyterian Church Records, 1701-1970
Name: Margaretta Allison
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 9 May 1872
Baptism Place: Congers, New York, USA
Church: Rockland Lake Presbyterian Church
Father: Jacob Allison
Mother: Susan Allison


EDIT:

NO< that's not her - see next post.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 8 Feb 2019 21:15

NO, that's not your Margaret.
Baptised 1872, but actually born 1863.


Margaretta Ellison
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Margaretta Ellison
[Margaretta Allison]
Age in 1870: 7
Birth Year: abt 1863
Birthplace: New York
Dwelling Number: 842
Home in 1870: Clarkstown, Rockland, New York
Race: White
Gender: Female
Inferred Father: Jacob Ellison
Inferred Mother: Susan M Ellison
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Ellison 45
Susan M Ellison 32
Thomas S Ellison 9
Margaretta Ellison 7
Asa Ellison 4



Margretta Allison
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Margretta Allison
Age: 17
Birth Date: Abt 1863
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1880: Orangetown, Rockland, New York, USA
Dwelling Number: 98
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Jacob Allison
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's name: Susan Allison
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Occupation: At Home
Attended School: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Allison 31
Susan Allison 44
Thomas Allison 19



Margarett Allison
in the 1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Margarett Allison
[Margaret Allison]
Age: 36
Birth Date: Sep 1863
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Street: 1st Avenue 26rd & 28th Strets East
Sheet Number: 1
institution: Bellevue Hospital
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Employee
Marital status: Single
Father's Birthplace: New York
Mother's Birthplace: New York
Occupation: Helper
Months Not Employed: 0
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Margretta Allison 17
Asa Allison 14
Jacob Allison 8

Janet

Janet Report 8 Feb 2019 21:25

Thank you so much. May I ask why you think this one is the correct family? I found one where the parents were born in Scotland, and wondered if that might be of interest.

Janet

Janet Report 8 Feb 2019 22:00

Name: Margaret A. Allison
Age: 9
Birth Date: Abt 1871
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1880: New York City, New York, New York, USA
Street: West Thirteenth Street
House Number: 211
Dwelling Number: 33
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital status: Single
Father's name: John W. Allison
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's name: Annie A. Allison
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Occupation: School
Attended School: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John W. Allison 37
Annie A. Allison 33
Alexander Allison 13
Margaret A. Allison 9
John Allison 6
Walter S. Allison 1

Janet

Janet Report 8 Feb 2019 22:17

Ah, I have found a snag. If that Margaret Allison/Ellison is in the 1900 USA census, she can't be marrying Peter Kelly in England in 1899.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 09:02

This is Peter Kelly's/ Margaret Ellison's daughter, Ellen. She isn't with her father on the 1911 census. She is staying with her Uncle and Aunt- Bernard and Mary Conway (nee Kelly). Presumably Mary is Peter's sister (or close family member):

Ellen's birth:
Birth of ELLEN KELLY on 02 April 1907
Group Registration ID 673126
SR District/Reg Area Clogher
Sex Female
Father: Peter Kelly
Mother: Margaret Kelly (maiden name: Ellison)
Address: Ballygawley

1911:
Residents of a house 7 in Gortfin (Athenree, Tyrone)
Bernard Conway Head of Family Married 50 1861 Tyrone
Mary Conway Wife Married 64 1847 Tyrone
John Conway Son Single 21 1890 Tyrone
Maggie An Conway Daughter Single 20 1891 Tyrone
Mary Conway Daughter Single 17 1894 Tyrone
Bridget Conway Mother Widowed 86 1825 Tyrone
Ellen Kelly Niece Single 4 1907 Tyrone
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Bernard Conway and Mary Kelly marriage:

Party 1 Name BERNARD CONWAY (bachelor, full age, farmer)
father: Michael Conway (farmer)
Party 2 Name MARY KELLY (spinster, full age, labourer)
Father: Peter Kelly (farmer)
Date of Event 15 January 1888
Group Registration ID 2443953
SR District/Reg Area Dungannon

Janet

Janet Report 9 Feb 2019 09:12

No, mine is no good either, Margaret Allison is in the 1900 census with married name of Cable.

I have found another record with clearer writing which shows that Peter Snr's mother wasn't Donlan, but Conlan or even Conlin.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 09:23

Given that we've now found Peter's sister marrying in Dungannon, I'm certain the possible marriage I posted earlier is correct:

marriage
Party 1 Name PETER KELLY
Father: Peter Kelly (farmer)
Party 2 Name MARY KERR
Father: Patrick Kerr (farmer)
Date of Event 09 May 1883
Group Registration ID 2242037
SR District/Reg Area Dungannon
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I believe it was a hasty marriage given that Peter and Mary had a daughter on 31st may 1883 on the ship City of Berlin.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 09:47

Death of Peter's father:

Name PETER KELLY (married, farmer)
Date of Death 20th March 1892
Address: Ballynahaye
Group Registration ID 3585290
SR District/Reg Area Dungannon
Deceased Age at Death 78
Informant: Bridget Kelly (present at death, Ballynahaye)

Death of Peter's mother:

Name BRIDGET KELLY (widow of farmer)
Date of Death 15th August 1896
Address: Ballynahaye
Group Registration ID 4134796
SR District/Reg Area Dungannon
Deceased Age at Death 80
Informant: Patrick Kerr (a distant relation, present at death)

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 9 Feb 2019 10:05

This is a brother of Peter- living on their late father's farm:

1911
Residents of a house 49 in Ballynahaye (Aghnahoe, Tyrone)
Kelly Owen 55 Male Head of Family Catholic Co Tyrone Farmer Married
Kelly Margaret 46 Female Wife Catholic Co Tyrone Married - 10 5 5
Kelly Peter 9 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly Patrick 8 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly Mary 6 Female Daughter Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
Kelly Owen 4 Male Son Catholic Co Tyrone Scholar
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Owen's marriage (wondering if Margaret Kerr was sister of Mary Kerr/ Carr):

Party 1 Name OWEN KELLY (Farmer's son, Ballynhaye Ballygawley)
Father: Peter Kelly
Party 2 Name MARGARET KERR
Father: Patrick Kerr
Date of Event 19 June 1901
Group Registration ID 2478518
SR District/Reg Area Clogher