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Thanks Greyghost very helpful

the death Alviegal posted is from this site which is free to use -

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
SILCOX, MARY ANN 68 Order
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 85 Order

The site gives mmn from start of registration in 1837 through to 1918 for births
(free bmd and other sites only start at Q3 1911) - if no mmn there, usually means an illegitimate birth.
Also gives age at death from 1837 to 1957 (whereas freebmd and commercial sites only start mid 1860's)

Freebmd have taken the Middlesborough details of the one you found from the line below Mary Ann - who is actually Samuel !!!

Thank you for all the information.
I have established that the death in 1892 of Mary Ann Silcox is not my Mary ann so thank you. this means that the 1901 census that appears as silvers could be the Silcox Mary Ann I was looking for.

Alviegal I can't seem to find the death record you have shown for 1905 I can only find a Mary Ann Silcox death in 1905 in Middlesborough. Can you let me know if it is definite bristol and if I need to put in another spelling or something.Thanks.

I know I may need to get birth certificates now to be sure but I feel convinced you helped me find the right people in the 1901census.

thank you all so much for helping

Mary Ann in 1881


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

5, Ashley Road, Ss James and Paul (United Out), Barton Regis, Gloucestershire, England

James Taylor Head Single Male 27 1854 General Practitioner M.R.C.S. L.S.A. Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Emma M A Taylor Mother Widow Female 66 1815 Independant Hackney, Middlesex, England
Mary Eliz Pike Servant Single Female 21 1860 Domestic Servant Cook Stour Row, Dorset, England
Kate M A Stock Servant Single Female 17 1864 Domestic General Servt Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Mary Ann Silcox Servant Married Female 50 1831 Farm Laborers Wife Hoar Cross, Staffordshire, England


and her son, Joseph living in Bristol in 1901. Perhaps she had gone to live or visit with him?



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Cottages, Baptist Street, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Joseph Silcox Head Married Male 29 1872 Dairyman Somerset, England
Eliza Silcox Wife Married Female 27 1874 Boot Paster Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Harold Silcox Son - Male 7 1894 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Reggie Silcox Son - Male 5 1896 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Gladys Silcox Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

??

SILCOX, MARY ANN 68 Order
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 85

Birth c 1837



SILCOX, MARY ANN 62 Order
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in KEYNSHAM Volume 05C Page 441

Birth c 1830




There is also this Mary Ann in Keynsham who may be the 1892 death.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

High Street, Priston, Keynsham, Somerset, England

Married Male 62 1829 Game Keeper Priston, Somerset, England
Mary A Silcox Wife Married Female 60 1831 - Somerset, England
Florence L Chivers Granddaughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Somerset, England
Elise H Chivers Granddaughter - Female 5 1886 Scholar Somerset, England


EDIT Here we are.

Name: Mary Ann Silcox
Age: 62
Birth Year: abt 1830
Burial Date: 21 May 1892
Burial Place: Priston, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Priston

Bingo ! Have found it now with Silvers rather than Silcox. The dates all coincide and Mary would have been Herbert Warner's Grandmother so possible.

Although not sure why he would be called Samuel and also I need to double check the death of Mary Ann Silcox as i had a death as 1892.

I will see if I can discover any more. If anyone finds anything else 1901 that could relate to Herbert Warner Silcox then great thanks

1901 Transcription on Ancestry reads:

Name: Samuel Silvers
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brislington, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Norton Malreward
Ecclesiastical parish: Norton Malreward Holy Trinity
Town: Norton Malreward
County/Island: Somerset
Registration district: Clutton
Sub-registration district: Chew Magna
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 2330
Folio: 95
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Silvers 70
Samuel Silvers 17

Hi I am on Ancestry. I put in Samuel Silcox born 1884 living in Clutton and nothing. I am obviously missing something

hi
try samuel 1884 in Clutton

Still struggling to find the 1901 census showing Mary Silcox and Samuel Silcox in Norton Marleward . Any advice?

safc that 1901 census looks interesting . I can't seem to find it by putting in Mary Silcox etc as normal, do I have to put something different in to find a Poor house record?

I was also wondering about that 1901 census safc. Can't find a Samuel Silcox born in 1884 Brislington or Keynsham. Does read Samuel on the original document.

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

Seven Bells Chewmagna, Chaw Magna, Somerset, England
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Herbert Warner Silcox's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Herbert Warner Silcox Head Married Male 25 1886 Collier Labourer Underground Brislington Somt xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Fanny Norvelle Silcox Wife Married Female 24 1887 - Chew Magna Somerset
Ernest Victor Silcox Son - Male 2 1909 - -
George William Silcox Son - Male 0 1911 - -

Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Poor House, Norton Malreward, Clutton, Somerset, England

Samuel Silcox's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Am Silcox Head Widow Female 70 1831 - Hoar Cross, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Silcox Grand Son Single Male 17 1884 Horse Boy On Farm Brislington, Somerset, England xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Record Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Norton Malreward, Clutton, Somerset, England

Herbert W Silcox's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Reuben Silcox Head Married Male 63 1828 Agricultural Laborer Somerset, England
Mary Ann Silcox Wife Married Female 56 1835 - Staffordshire, England
Harriett Silcox Daughter Single Female 33 1858 Sempstress Somerset, England
Herbert W Silcox Grandson - Male 7 1884 - Somerset, England

mary ann is from hoar cross

Hi ErikaH, thank you for this . I had found this and this was the start of me realising that I had made a mistake. I had seen his marriage with the father shown as Alfred he was the brother of Harriet and had followed that route , - and giving him 8 siblings! I then saw this and also the 1891 census where he was living with Harriett and found that Harriet was his mother, she had died by the time he got married so he obviously decided to put his uncle as his father!

It is now all linking up but can't find him in 1901 Thanks again

Not the census - but don't know if you have this

Name: Herbert Silcox
Birth Date: 31 Mar 1884
Admission Date: 20 Jun 1887
Residence Place: Somerset, England
Parent 1: Harriett Silcox
School: Norton Malreward Church of England School
Year Range: 1875-1914
Description: Norton Malreward C of E School Admission Register

Interestingly, when he married he claimed to have a father named Alfred Silcox

Hope someone can help my search for Herbert Warner Silcox on the 1901 Census, I have tried all sorts to no avail.

Herbert was born in1884 , he was the illegitimate son of Harriet E Silcox (born 1858)
They lived in Somerset.
in 1891 both Harriet and Herbert were living with Harriet's parents Reuben and Mary Ann in Norton Marleward, Somerset.

in 1911 Herbert was living with his wife Fanny and children in Chew Magna, Somerset.
They married in 1907

Harriet died in 1895 so would not be on the 1901 census but Herbert would have been 17 ( although on the 1911 census he has his age as 25) but I cannot find him at all in 1901.

Any help would be great. Thank you