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Ps, with regards to ArgyllGran mentioning the elusive Simon Samuel Jacobs, I am stumped. His name appears on Marriage of francis and Baptism and immigration papers for Francis.

He is my brickwall !

Hi to all, and a big thank you for all your input.

firstly to ArgyllGran, yes you are right I do have a tree on myheritage, ancestry.co.uk, findmypast and family search. I should of mentioned that earlier to save you all time researching but I do appreciate all your time and effort, especially ErikaH for all you found, most of which I do have except the Peter Mariano army lists. But I do appreciate all your hard work. appologies for not saying so in my original thread.

The Francis Xavier Jacobs you have been referring to is not my grandfather. Again I should of mentioned that he and my immediate family came to the uk from Burma in jan 1948. He died in Nuneaton, Warwickshire 1n 1969, my Grandmother in 1979. So apologies to ArgyllGran for researching the wrong person.

To Kay????, sorry but the jacobs you refer to isn't related.
Once again a big thank you to all
Kind regards
Iain.

If you find anymore I will be happy to clarify.

As you think there might be a link, Erika, I'll press on - though I still doubt it.

Hugh Francis's parents in 1911:

Francis Jacob
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Francis Jacob
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: India
Civil Parish: Greenwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Ellesdene, Beaconsfield Road, Westcombe Park, Blackheath S E
Marital status: Married
Occupation: M.J.C.E ELECTRICAL ENGINEER
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration District Number: 28
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Piece: 2707
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Jacob 57
Emily Martha Jacob 62
Isabel Maude Jacob 38
Minnie Funnell 30
Florence Maud Jelliman 23


Their marriage:

Frank Jacob
in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914
Name: Frank Jacob
Gender: Male
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 4 Sep 1877
Marriage Place: Weston Super Mare St John, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears: Weston Super Mare
Father: William Stephen Jacob
Spouse: Emily Martha Crawford



Francis Jacob
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Francis Jacob
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Stephen Jacob
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jacob
Gender: Male
Where born: East Indies British Subject
Civil Parish: Hartwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Hartwell
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 866
Folio: 51
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stephen Jacob 47 - fundholder, late [Alexandra ?? ] Royal at Madras.
Elizabeth Jacob 41
Mary Jacob 15
Stephen Jacob 10
Francis Jacob 7
William H Jacob 6
George Jacob 3
Charles Jacob 1
Emma King 20
Elizabeth Watkins 21
Bertha Needham 16


William Stephen Jacob died in Poona, India, 16 Aug 1862. Probate record says :
". . . formerly a Captain in the Bombay Army afterwards of Hartwell in the County of Buckingham but late of Poona in the East Indies . . ."
The Will was proved by the oath of the Reverend George Andrew Jacob of Christ's Hospital in the City of London, Clerk, Doctor of Divinity, the brother, one of the executors.


Francis Jacob
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Francis Jacob
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth Jacob
Gender: Male
Where born: India
Civil Parish: St Peter
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Bedford
Sub-registration district: Bedford and Kempston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 128
Piece: 1541
Folio: 85
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Jacob 51 - widow - her income was from Dividends from Indian funds
Anna Jacob 23
Francis Jacob 17
George Jacob 13
Charles Jacob 11
F M L Hartley 52
Ethel Saudwith 22
Clara Forlong 18
Houlton Forlong 6
Lydia Willey 26
Caroline Tate 21


William Stephen Jacob's father's name:

William Stephen Jacob
in the Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-22
Name: William Stephen Jacob
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1813
Birth Place: Woolavington, Somerset
Death Date: 16 Aug 1862
Death Place: Poonah, India
Father: Stephen Long Jacob <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


William Stephen Jacob
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Stephen Jacob
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1813
Baptism Place: Woolavington, Somerset, England
Father: Stephen Long Jacob
Mother: Eliza Susanna
FHL Film Number: 1526121

First name(s) Francis Xavier
Last name Jacob
Birth year 1894
Death date 28 Dec 1939
Death year 1939
Age 45
Burial date 29 Dec 1939
Place Khurda Road
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-600&601

Died of Heart failure
Occupation: Guard B N Ry (Railway)

I would think Jacob/Jacobs are interchangeable and the forenames are sufficiently unusual to make your finds look like a good match ,AG

?? for Gregory's (not Geoffrey) father??

First name(s) George
Last name Lefevre
Birth year 1826
Death date 28 Mar 1851
Death year 1851
Age 25
Burial date 28 Mar 1851
Place Fort William
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-79
Folio -
Page 176
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948

Whether related or not (and I don't think he is - for a start he's Jacob, not Jacobs - several records on Ancestry) - that marriage sadly didn't last long:

Although engaged in 1913, they only married in 1915, in St Neots.

Hugh Francis Jacob
in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
Name: Hugh Francis Jacob
Gender: Male
Age: 32
Birth Date: 1884
Death Date: 23 Apr 1916
Burial Date: 23 Apr 1916
Burial Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India
FHL Film Number: 527543

Probate to his widow Alice Maud Jacob.

His mother was Emily Martha (from his christening record).

Alice returned to England, and in 1930 and 1935 was living in Cambridgeshire, latterly with her widowed mother.
She remarried in 1936, and in 1939 is with her husband in Cambridgeshire.
She died in 1973, two years after her husband.

(Nothing whatever to do with the OP, but I got hooked! As you do.)

marriage has been arranged between Hugh Francis Jacob, of Calcutta, younger son of Francis Jacob, M.lnst.C.E., Elleadene, Westcombc Park, and Alice Maud Wickins, only child of the Ven. William John Wickins, archdeacon of Calcutta, and honorary chaplain
22 December 1913 - Homeward Mail from India, China and the East -


related.?

For helpers' reference - and possibly to save some research:


Iain has a tree on Ancestry with a lot about these people.
At least I assume it's Iain's tree - tree owner is ijacobs1962.

A lot about Francis, from his birth on 13 May 1896, through his marriage and the births of his children, to his death in Nuneaton.

Quite a lot on Kate - birth, baptism, marriage, births of children , through to her death, also in Nuneaton.
Her father's birth and marriage.
Her mother's first name was Rose - no other info.

Clearly Francis's parents are more of a mystery.

Simon Samuel's birth was 16 Aug 1862, but there's nothing else apart from the birth and death of Francis.

A certain amount about Grace - her parent's names and their marriage.

First name(s) Gregory
Last name Lefevre
Marriage year 1865
Marriage date 30 Dec 1865
Spouse's first name Mah
Spouse's last name Aingzee
Place Moulmein
Presidency -
Groom's father's first name George
Groom's father's last name Lefevre
Bride's father's first name Feo
Bride's father's last name Jah
Catalogue description India and Pakistan, ecclesiastical returns

Emilia Stella Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 14 April 1909
christening: 29 July 1909 Mandalay, Bengal, India
residence: 1909 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Grace

Anna Rose Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 28 April 1908
christening: 29 July 1909 Mandalay, Bengal, India
residence: 1908 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Gracy

Benjamin Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 29 January 1882
christening: 5 February 1882 Toungoo, Bengal, India
residence: 1882 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Francis Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 7 February 1889
christening: 27 February 1889 Toungoo, Bengal, India
residence: 1889 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Louis Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 31 May 1880
christening: 7 June 1880 Toungoo, Bengal, India
residence: 1880 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Benjamin Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
christening: 5 February 1882 Toungoo, Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Mary Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 6 February 1891
christening: 12 February 1891 Toungoo, Bengal, India
residence: 1891 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Paul Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 27 January 1887
christening: 6 February 1887 Toungoo, Bengal, India
residence: 1887 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Josephine Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
christening: 1 January 1886 Toungoo, Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Louis Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
christening: 7 June 1880 Toungoo, Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Mary Susanne Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 10 August 1901
christening: 15 August 1901 Mandalay, Bengal, India
residence: 1901 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Mary Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 6 February 1891
christening: 12 February 1891 Toungoo, Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Joseph Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 2 March 1899
christening: 3 March 1899 Tonngoo, Bengal, India
residence: 1899 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Josephine Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 9 December 1885
christening: 1 January 1886 Toungoo, Bengal, India
residence: 1885 Bengal, India
father: Peter Mariano
mother: Rose

Louisa Agnes Mariano
India Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
birth: 28 January 1909
christening: 6 February 1909 Tonngoo, Bengal, India
residence: 1909 Bengal, India
father: Peter Andrew Mariano
mother: Rosa

Name Peter Mariano
Gender Male
Christening Date 20 Jul 1884
Christening Place Toungoo, Bengal, India
Birth Date 15 Jul 1884
Father's Name Peter Mariano
Mother's Name Rose

First name(s) Peter
Last name Mariano
Birth year 1854
Death date 28 Apr 1920
Death year 1920
Age 66
Burial date 29 Apr 1920
Place Toungoo
Presidency Bengal
Archive Reference N-1-445
Folio -
Page 319
Catalogue Description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948

First name(s) Peter
Last name Mariano
Marriage year 1909
Marriage date 05 Aug 1909
Spouse's first name Gracy
Spouse's last name Monteiro
Place Mandalay
Presidency Bengal
Groom's age 25
Bride's age 33
Groom's father's first name Peter
Groom's father's last name Mariano
Bride's father's first name Gregory***************************Not Geoffrey
Bride's father's last name Lefevre

Welcome to the boards Iain

I can't help with your great grandparents but Kate Caroline's baptism record is on Findmypast and her father is Peter John, NOT Peter Joseph.

Kate's birth date was 9th May 1907 and her baptism 7th July 1907 at St. Anthony, Rangoon.

I have sent you the image.(look in messages at top right of screen).

Kath. x

Hi,
I am trying to find records of my great grandparents born in Burma and India. I have looked at many sites but finding nothing.
Surnames in question are Jacob's, lefevre, and Mariano.
In particular:
My grandfather was Francis Xavier Jacob's born in 1895 fort dufferin, Mandalay, Burma.
His father was Simon samuel Jacob's, born 1862, lucknow, India. ( married joanna, no surname)
I have very little info on Francis, none of Simon, apart from appearing on my grandfathers baptism record.

My grandmother was Kate caroline Mariano, born 1907 in maymyo, Burma.
Her mother grace lefevre /monteiro married Peter Joseph Mariano.
Grace's father was Geoffrey lefevre
Peter I marianos father was also Peter Mariano, who I believe was a school master.
Again I have certain info but not alot to verify.

Any help or advise would be greatly appreciated.

Iain Jacobs