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Leslie
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22 Jan 2019 12:32 |
Ah Shirley You found 1891 cens, I can't find it on Ancestry but that's them and the John P may be my John William. Wish I could see original, where did you find it please. And the Seaman's Service could be right.
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Maddie
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22 Jan 2019 12:29 |
Name: John P Moyns Death Age: 80 Birth Date: abt 1882 Registration Date: Dec 1962 Registration district: Greenwich Inferred County: London Volume: 5c Page: 657
John Peter Moyns
in the UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 View UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939
Name: John Peter Moyns Gender: Male Birth Date: 29 Oct 1882 Birth Place: Bermuda First Service Date: 23 Jan 1899 First Ship Served On: Impregnable Last Service Date: 23 Aug 1923 Last Ship Served On: Defiance Service Number: 202723
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malyon
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22 Jan 2019 12:28 |
Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
Moynes John W Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 2309 Scan available - Woodbridge Alice M Moynes Greenwich 1d 2309
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malyon
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22 Jan 2019 12:25 |
death of wife alice p born 1890
Deaths Sep 1967 (>99%) Moynes Alice P 77 Greenwich 5b 319
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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22 Jan 2019 12:22 |
No other info on actual record
John William Moynes in the Surrey, England, Regimental Rolls, 1914-1947 View Surrey, England, Regimental Rolls, 1914-1947 Add alternate information Report issue Name: John William Moynes Regiment Number: 6734733 Regiment: Queen's Royal West Surrey
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jan 2019 12:20 |
If Thomas Augustus's birth was registered in first quarter 1885, how could John have been born in October 1884??
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malyon
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22 Jan 2019 12:19 |
could john have married again or could be his son
John W Moynes England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
Name: John W Moynes Event Type: Marriage Registration Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration Year: 1945 Registration District: Greenwich County: London Event Place: Greenwich, London, England Spouse Name (available after 1911): Leigh Volume: 1D Page: 1629 Affiliate Line Number: 9
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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22 Jan 2019 12:15 |
Thomas was in the navy
View UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939 Add alternate information Report issue Name: Thomas Moyns Gender: Male Birth Date: 5 Dec 1884 Birth Place: Marylebone, London First Service Date: 12 Sep 1902 First Ship Served On: Northampton Last Service Date: 12 Feb 1906 Last Ship Served On: Pembroke I Service Number: 222772
Maybe John joined up too that's why he doenst show on later census after 1891
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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22 Jan 2019 12:12 |
1891 census
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Armagh Road, Bow or Stratford Le Bow, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Moyns Head Married Male 37 1854 Engine Fitter London, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Moyns Wife Married Female 37 1854 - - John P Moyns Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar - Thomas Moyns Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar - Annie Moyns Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar - Mother and children al born Bermuda
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22 Jan 2019 12:10 |
Thomas Moyns England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name: Thomas Moyns Event Type: Death Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year: 1941 Registration District: Deptford County: London Event Place: Deptford, London, England Age: 84 Birth Year (Estimated): 1857 Volume: 1D Page: 1264 Affiliate Line Number: 27
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22 Jan 2019 12:07 |
census 1911
county: London Parish: St Paul Deptford Sub-District: Deptford East Sub-District Number: 2 District Number: 28 Enumeration District: 9 Registration District: Greenwich Gender: Male Age: 54 Marital Status: MARRIED Marital Status: MARRIED Occupation: ENGINEERS FITTER Industry: COCOA MANUFACTOR Number in Family: 3 Birth Year (Estimated): 1857 Birthplace: Middlesex London, London Relationship to Head of Household: Head Schedule Type: 140 Page Number: 1 Registration Number: RG14 Piece/Folio: 279 Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/02632/0279/1 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Thomas Moyns Head Male 54 Middlesex London, London Elizabeth Moyns Wife Female 52 Bermuda James Moyns Son Male 33 Bermuda Thomas Moyns Son Male 26 Middlesex London, London
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ArgyllGran
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22 Jan 2019 12:06 |
I posted it for the benefit of the helpers, who don't have all the info you do - dates of birth.
There's this birth ?? Perhaps he changed his middle name? or his parents did after the birth was registered? I don't see any Moynes/Stone marriages in England/wales 1870-84, nor do I see a John Augustus Moynes in censuses so far.
MOYNES, THOMAS AUGUSTUS mms STONE GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 373
That would fit with an Oct 1884 birth not being registered until 1st quarter 1885.
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SORRY -
of course that's Thomas's birth, not John - I'm confusing myself.
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Leslie
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22 Jan 2019 12:02 |
Yes that's him, I have this. He is a soldier on the baptism of his child James Alfred b1915 and engineers Labourer on his m cert. Thanks
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22 Jan 2019 11:56 |
Is this your John in 1939? It doesn't say solder or engineer, so maybe not.
If so, posting it for the sake of dates of birth.
John W Moynes in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: John W Moynes Gender: Male Marital status: Married Birth Date: 29 Oct 1884 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 17 Residence Place: Deptford, London, England Occupation: General labourer Heavy Worker Schedule Number: 131 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: AFHF Registration district: 26-1 Household Members: Name John W Moynes Albert H Moynes - 29 July 1917 Alice P Moynes - 27 March 1890
(plus three closed records on Ancestry, though FMP may be more up to date)
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Leslie
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22 Jan 2019 11:56 |
That's correct Shirley, I have the 1901.
The 1911 cens shows 4 children so I assume the 4th would be my John William but where is he?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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22 Jan 2019 11:51 |
Seems many of the children were born in Bermuda
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 246, City Road, St Luke, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England
Thomas Moyns's Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Moyns Head Married Male 43 1858 Mechanical Engineer St Luke's, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Moyns Wife Married Female 40 1861 - West Indies Annie E Burton Daughter Married Female 20 1881 Fancy Box Maker West Indies Thomas A Moyns Son Single Male 16 1885 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England Thomas Moyns's Census Details Details taken from the original census record.
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Leslie
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22 Jan 2019 11:34 |
Hi Shirley I do not have fmp subs. Have tried Familysearch.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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22 Jan 2019 11:31 |
Have you tried overseas records on fmp
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Leslie
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22 Jan 2019 11:17 |
Your help please. John William Moynes b1884 as on 1939 reg. he was a soldier (engineer) I can't find a birth reg. in UK. His father was Thomas as on his 1912 m cert . Thomas was also an engineer, on 1911 census shows Thomas b1857 with wife Elizabeth b1859 in Bermuda plus 2 sons James born Bermuda and Thomas A. born Middx.(on 1901 cens.) and Annie E. b1881 Bermuda. Elizabeth and son James born Bermuda are British subjects by parentage. Thomas and Elizabeth married 1877 possibly Bermuda as can't find in UK. According to GRO child Thomas A. b1885 Middx. MMN is Stone. Address on 1911cens/1912 m cert/various elec rolls all match. So was John William born in Bermuda and where was he in 1911? Are you able to find Bermuda marriage? Are you able to find Elizabeth (Stone) born with English parents in Bermuda? Thank you in advance. Les
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