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John William Moynes b1884 as on 1939 reg. he was a soldier (engineer) I can't find a birth reg. in UK. His father was Thomas as on his 1912 m cert . Thomas was also an engineer, on 1911 census shows Thomas b1857 with wife Elizabeth b1859 in Bermuda plus 2 sons James born Bermuda and Thomas A. born Middx.(on 1901 cens.) and Annie E. b1881 Bermuda.
Elizabeth and son James born Bermuda are British subjects by parentage.
Thomas and Elizabeth married 1877 possibly Bermuda as can't find in UK.
According to GRO child Thomas A. b1885 Middx. MMN is Stone.
Address on 1911cens/1912 m cert/various elec rolls all match.
So was John William born in Bermuda and where was he in 1911?
Are you able to find Bermuda marriage?
Are you able to find Elizabeth (Stone) born with English parents in Bermuda?
Thank you in advance.
Les

Have you tried overseas records on fmp

Hi Shirley
I do not have fmp subs. Have tried Familysearch.

Seems many of the children were born in Bermuda


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
246, City Road, St Luke, Holborn, London & Middlesex, England

Thomas Moyns's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Moyns Head Married Male 43 1858 Mechanical Engineer St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Moyns Wife Married Female 40 1861 - West Indies
Annie E Burton Daughter Married Female 20 1881 Fancy Box Maker West Indies
Thomas A Moyns Son Single Male 16 1885 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Thomas Moyns's Census Details
Details taken from the original census record.

That's correct Shirley, I have the 1901.

The 1911 cens shows 4 children so I assume the 4th would be my John William but where is he?

Is this your John in 1939? It doesn't say solder or engineer, so maybe not.

If so, posting it for the sake of dates of birth.

John W Moynes
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: John W Moynes
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1884
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 17
Residence Place: Deptford, London, England
Occupation: General labourer Heavy Worker
Schedule Number: 131
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: AFHF
Registration district: 26-1
Household Members:
Name
John W Moynes
Albert H Moynes - 29 July 1917
Alice P Moynes - 27 March 1890

(plus three closed records on Ancestry, though FMP may be more up to date)

Yes that's him, I have this. He is a soldier on the baptism of his child James Alfred b1915 and engineers Labourer on his m cert.
Thanks

I posted it for the benefit of the helpers, who don't have all the info you do - dates of birth.

There's this birth ?? Perhaps he changed his middle name? or his parents did after the birth was registered?
I don't see any Moynes/Stone marriages in England/wales 1870-84, nor do I see a John Augustus Moynes in censuses so far.

MOYNES, THOMAS AUGUSTUS mms STONE
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 373


That would fit with an Oct 1884 birth not being registered until 1st quarter 1885.


EDIT:

SORRY -

of course that's Thomas's birth, not John - I'm confusing myself.

census 1911

county: London
Parish: St Paul Deptford
Sub-District: Deptford East
Sub-District Number: 2
District Number: 28
Enumeration District: 9
Registration District: Greenwich
Gender: Male
Age: 54
Marital Status: MARRIED
Marital Status: MARRIED
Occupation: ENGINEERS FITTER
Industry: COCOA MANUFACTOR
Number in Family: 3
Birth Year (Estimated): 1857
Birthplace: Middlesex London, London
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Schedule Type: 140
Page Number: 1
Registration Number: RG14
Piece/Folio: 279
Affiliate Record Identifier: GBC/1911/RG14/02632/0279/1
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Thomas Moyns Head Male 54 Middlesex London, London
Elizabeth Moyns Wife Female 52 Bermuda
James Moyns Son Male 33 Bermuda
Thomas Moyns Son Male 26 Middlesex London, London

Thomas Moyns
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007





Name: Thomas Moyns
Event Type: Death
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1941
Registration District: Deptford
County: London
Event Place: Deptford, London, England
Age: 84
Birth Year (Estimated): 1857
Volume: 1D
Page: 1264
Affiliate Line Number: 27

1891 census

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Armagh Road, Bow or Stratford Le Bow, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Moyns Head Married Male 37 1854 Engine Fitter London, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Moyns Wife Married Female 37 1854 - -
John P Moyns Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar -
Thomas Moyns Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar -
Annie Moyns Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar -
Mother and children al born Bermuda

Thomas was in the navy

View UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939
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Name: Thomas Moyns
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1884
Birth Place: Marylebone, London
First Service Date: 12 Sep 1902
First Ship Served On: Northampton
Last Service Date: 12 Feb 1906
Last Ship Served On: Pembroke I
Service Number: 222772


Maybe John joined up too that's why he doenst show on later census after 1891

could john have married again or could be his son

John W Moynes
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005

Name: John W Moynes
Event Type: Marriage Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1945
Registration District: Greenwich
County: London
Event Place: Greenwich, London, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911): Leigh
Volume: 1D
Page: 1629
Affiliate Line Number: 9

If Thomas Augustus's birth was registered in first quarter 1885, how could John have been born in October 1884??

No other info on actual record

John William Moynes
in the Surrey, England, Regimental Rolls, 1914-1947
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Name: John William Moynes
Regiment Number: 6734733
Regiment: Queen's Royal West Surrey

death of wife alice p born 1890

Deaths Sep 1967 (>99%)
Moynes Alice P 77 Greenwich 5b 319

Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)

Moynes John W Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 2309 Scan available -
Woodbridge Alice M Moynes Greenwich 1d 2309

Name: John P Moyns
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: abt 1882
Registration Date: Dec 1962
Registration district: Greenwich
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 657

John Peter Moyns

in the UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939
View UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939

Name: John Peter Moyns
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Oct 1882
Birth Place: Bermuda
First Service Date: 23 Jan 1899
First Ship Served On: Impregnable
Last Service Date: 23 Aug 1923
Last Ship Served On: Defiance
Service Number: 202723

Ah Shirley
You found 1891 cens, I can't find it on Ancestry but that's them and the John P may be my John William. Wish I could see original, where did you find it please.
And the Seaman's Service could be right.

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Moynes John W Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 1911 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
MOYNES William T Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 1891 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1915 (>99%)
MOYNES James A Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 1822

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
MOYNES Alice F Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 1967 Scan available - click to view
Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
Moynes George W Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 1653 Scan available - click to view
Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Moynes Henry T Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 1437 Scan available - click to view
Births Dec 1929 (>99%)
Moynes Arthur F Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 1095
Moynes Eileen L Woodbridge Greenwich 1d 1003