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21 Jan 2019 18:36 |
Thank you both so much. My local library have started charging to use their family history websites so I rely more and more on Genes. Thank you again.
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20 Jan 2019 21:02 |
Moses Newman in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Moses Newman Gender: Male Age: 9 Birth Date: abt 1881 Departure Date: 22 Apr 1890 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: Philadelphia, USA Ship Name: Lord Clive Master: Urquhart
Travelling with Hannah 36, John 11, William 4, and another male sibling whose name I can't make out ( I suppose he must be Thomas) , aged 6.
Moses senior must have gone out ahead of them
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20 Jan 2019 20:55 |
So here is the proof that this is definitely Hannah.
Hannah Newman
in the Pennsylvania, Death Certificates, 1906-1966
Name: Hannah Newman [Hannah Pass] Gender: Female Race: White Age: 84 Birth Date: 31 Aug 1853 Birth Place: England Death Date: 19 Aug 1938 Death Place: Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA Father: Edward Pass Mother: ------ Beyer Certificate Number: 73262
Principal case of death was senility. She was a widow of 220 Hollenback Avenue, Parsons. Moses Newman was the informant.
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20 Jan 2019 20:51 |
Martha Jane's death.
MARTHA JANE Last name NEWMAN Gender Female Birth year 1879 Age 2 Death quarter 2 Death year 1881 District Guisborough County Yorkshire Volume 9D Page 312
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alviegal
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20 Jan 2019 20:28 |
Looks like they emigrated to the US.
Record Transcription: Us Census 1900
City/township Miners Mills County Luzerne State Pennsylvania
Moses Newman Self Married Male 50 1850 England Hannah Newman Wife Married Female 48 1852 England John E Newman Son Single Male 23 1877 England Moses Newman Son Single Male 22 1878 England Immigration year 1890 William Newman Son Single Male 17 1883 England Thomas Newman Son Single Male 15 1885 England Catharine Newman Daughter Single Female 8 1892 Pennsylvania Robert E Newman Son Single Male 6 1894 Pennsylvania
Us Census 1910
City/township Parsons County Luzerne State Pennsylvania
Moses Newman Self Married Male 49 1861 labourer in Coal Mines Hanna Newman Wife Married Female 56 1854 Thomas Newman Son Single Male 25 1885 polisher at Axel Works Catherine Newman Daughter Single Female 18 1892 Robert Newman Son Single Male 15 1895 labourer in Tin Factory
Hannah Newman
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Hannah Newman Age: 64 Birth Year: abt 1856 Birthplace: England Home in 1920: Parsons, Luzerne, Pennsylvania Street: Conyngham Ave Residence Date: 1920 Race: White Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1889 Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law Marital status: Widowed Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Native Tongue: English Able to Speak English: Yes Naturalization Status: Naturalized Able to Read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Neighbors: Household Members: Name Age Chas W Penhale 31 Katherine Penhale 24 Hannah Newman 64
Hannah Newman
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Hannah Newman Birth Year: abt 1854 Gender: Female Race: White Birthplace: England Marital status: Widowed Relation to Head of House: Mother-in-law Home in 1930: Wilkes-Barre, Luzerne, Pennsylvania, USA Map of Home: View Map Street address: No. Franklin Street Ward of City: First House Number: 589 Dwelling Number: 138 Family Number: 160 Age at first Marriage: 23 Attended School: No Able to Read and Write: Yes Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Language Spoken: English Immigration Year: 1887 Naturalization: Naturalized Able to Speak English: Yes Household Members: Name Age Charles Penhale 42 Katherine Penhale 37 Hannah Newman 76
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alviegal
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20 Jan 2019 20:16 |
Well found Argyll! Wonder if the girls preferred their middle names? Here is Isabella's marriage. Her father Edward is a sailor. Robert Benson and Mary Wilson are witnesses.
First name(s) Isabella Last name Pass Age 23 Birth year 1853 Residence Moorsholme Marriage year 1876 Marriage date 09 Aug 1876 Marriage place Skelton Spouse's first name(s) Moses Spouse's last name Newman Spouse's age 25 Spouse's residence Lingdale Father's first name(s) Edward Father's last name Pass Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Newman County Yorkshire (North Riding) Country England Archive reference PR/SK 1/20 Page 47
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Marian
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20 Jan 2019 19:05 |
Hello Alvie/Argyll, certainly gives me food for thought. It always amazes me how the simple names get mistranscribed. I like Hannah Puss. Thank you both.
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20 Jan 2019 13:50 |
Hannah in 1871 ??
Hannah Puss in the 1871 England Census Name: Hannah Puss Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Guistro, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: St Cuthbert County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Darlington Sub-registration district: Darlington ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Household schedule number: 92 Piece: 4885 Folio: 14 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Fawcett 58 Ralph Fawcett 31 Mary Eliza Fawcett 29 John Barker 18 Hannah Puss 17
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20 Jan 2019 13:35 |
Maybe Hannah ??? Note the children's middle names.
Hannah Isabella Newman in the 1881 England Census Name: Hannah Isabella Newman Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Moses Newman Gender: Female Where born: Guisbro, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Skelton in Guisbrough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: 3 Scarth St Marital status: Married Registration district: Guisborough ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: Piece: 4842 Folio: 29 Page Number: 51 Household Members: Name Age Moses Newman 30 - ironstone miner, Sutton, Cambridgeshire Hannah Isabella Newman 27 John Edwd. Newman 3 Martha Jane Newman 2 Moses Newman
NEWMAN, MOSES mms PASE GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 508
NEWMAN, JOHN EDWARD mms PASS GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 537
NEWMAN, MARTHA JANE mms PASS GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 525
Moses Newman in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Moses Newman Registration Year: 1876 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Guisborough Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding Volume: 9d Page: 711 Records on Page: Name Moses Newman Isabella Pass
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alviegal
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20 Jan 2019 07:06 |
Is this Robert's birth?
ROBERT Last name BYERS Birth year 1849 Birth quarter 1 Registration month - Mother's maiden name - District Stockton County Durham Country England
I can't find any for the girls?
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alviegal
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19 Jan 2019 22:38 |
Just putting this out here. No idea if connected or not.
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lord Street Zetland Place, Redcar, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
Robert Pearson Skinner Head - Male 33 1838 - Yorkshire, England Isabel Skinner Wife - Female 22 1849 - Yorkshire, England John Skinner Son - Male 1 1870 - Yorkshire, England >>Agnes Pass Servant - Female 19 1852 - Yorkshire, England Thomas Upton Son - Male 16 1855 - Yorkshire, England John Chas Wright Nephew - Male 11 1860 - Yorkshire, England
Father is Edward Pass, mariner.
First name(s) Agnes Last name Pass Age Full Age Residence Garden Street Marriage year 1875 Marriage date 18 Oct 1875 Marriage place Middlesbrough, St John Spouse's first name(s) Edward Spouse's last name West Spouse's age Full Age Spouse's residence Kent Street Father's first name(s) Edward Father's last name Pass Spouse's father's first name(s) George Spouse's father's last name West
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
25, Kent Street, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
>>Agnes West Head - Female 28 1853 Mariners Wife Guisborough, Yorkshire, England George E West Son Single Male 4 1877 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Rose E West Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Agnes West Daughter Single Female 0 1881 (Etm) Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England Charles Alden Lodger Single Male 24 1857 Engine Fitter (Machine E & M) Bradford, Yorkshire, England
First name(s) Agnes Last name West Age 39 Birth year 1851 Death year 1890 Burial year 1890 Burial date 03 Jul 1890 Church St Cuthbert Denomination Anglican Place Ormesby
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Marian
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19 Jan 2019 21:21 |
Thank you Argyl, would never have found that.
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Marian
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19 Jan 2019 21:18 |
Hello Kay, I don't think this is my Hannah as this one is with her grand mother on the 1861 census but thanks anyway.
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19 Jan 2019 21:13 |
Mistranscribed in 1871:
Jane Vass in the 1871 England Census Name: Jane Vass Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1824 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Skelton Ecclesiastical parish: Skelton in Cleveland of York Town: Skelton in Cleveland County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Guisborough Sub-registration district: Marske ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 18 Piece: 4853 Folio: 28 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John Elwood 29 Cartline Elwood 26 Arthur Elwood 4 James Elwood 3 Eleanor Elwood 1 Month Jane Vass 47 - nurse
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19 Jan 2019 21:05 |
View blank form Add alternate information Report issue Name: Hannah Pass Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Ecclesall Bierlow Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 33 Piece: 4668 Folio: 30 Page Number: 8.
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Marian
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19 Jan 2019 20:48 |
Hello safc, any luck with the 1871? I thought the Lee family may have been a relative of Jane but Mary Jane maiden name is Bell.
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safc
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19 Jan 2019 20:35 |
for info
Record Transcription: 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Church Street, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England What can I do with this record? View an image of this record Attach this record as a source to a person on your tree. Also update people and relatives with details from this record Report a transcription error. Jane Pass's Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jane Pass Head Married Female 38 1823 Dressmaker Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Robert Pass Son Unmarried Male 12 1849 Scholar Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Mary A Pass Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Hannah J Pass Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
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19 Jan 2019 20:34 |
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Record Transcription: 1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Brunswick Street, Stockton upon Tees, Stockton, Durham, England
Jane Pass's Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census. First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Lee Head Married Male 29 1852 Iron Monger Thirsk, Yorkshire, England Mary Jane Lee Wife Married Female 31 1850 - Stockton, Durham, England Walter Lee Son Single Male 1 1880 - Stockton, Durham, England Jane Pass Visitor Widow Female 58 1823 Nurse (Dom) Guisborough, Yorkshire, England Martha Dack Servant Single Female 16 1865 General Servant Norfolk, England
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Marian
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19 Jan 2019 20:30 |
Hello, Jane Byers marries Edward Pass 5 March 1849 at St Thomas, Stockton on Tees, Co Durham. (Jane baptised 16/7/1822 at Guisborough, Yorkshire). Edward born Easington, Yorkshire. I have all the census for son Robert but I cannot find Jane after 1861 or the two girls. As Edward was a sailor, he may have died at sea.
This is 1861 census
1861 census Church Street Guisborough
Jane Pass 38 married dressmaker Robert Pass 12 son Guis Mary A Pass 10 daughter Guis Hannah J Pass 8 daughter Guis
I think below is Edward although it says born Barlby
1861 census Stockton Street Stranton
Jane Watson 33 head unmarried Guisborough Robert Watson 51 brother mariner Guisborough George Watson 43 brother boot and shoemaker Guisborough Mary Jane Watson 10 niece Guisborough – George daughter John Augusta Watson 2 nephew Guisborough Edward Pass 38 mariner Barlby Yorkshire
Below is the 1871 census for Lofthouse Yorkshire but this is Edward's mother, his sister and his nephew.
1871 Lofthouse Yorkshire Jane 59 single dressmaker Lofthouse Yorkshire John 20 son Easington Yorkshire blacksmith (illegitimate?) Elizabeth Pass 89 mother widowed Easington Yorkshire
Found this for Jane for 1881 but not sure
1881 census Brunswick Street Stockton
Robert Lee 29 Thirsk Mary Jane Lee 31 Stockton Walter Lee 1 Stockton Jane Pass 58 visitor Guisborough nurse domestic widow Martha Dack 16 servant Norfolk
There is a death for a Jane Pass Sept q 1895 aged 73 middlesbrough area which would fit Jane's date of birth.
Can anyone find Jane or the girls 1871 onwards? The above census are off family search.
Hope the above makes sense.
Thank you.
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