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ArgyllGran
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16 Jan 2019 11:00 |
This is the only birth of a Margaret D Milne born in Scotland in 1903 - but obviously not Dillon for middle name, so maybe not her:
MILNE MARGARET DAVIDS [ on ] F 1903 168/4 36 Old Aberdeen
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16 Jan 2019 11:02 |
Her parents' marriage - so maybe that birth is correct?
MILNE GEORGE FINDLAY MAGGIE 1898 168/4 13 Old Aberdeen
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Ian
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16 Jan 2019 11:40 |
Hi All Here are a few details for Sarah Murdoch born 21/11/1892or1893 mother Margaret Dillon Murdoch father James Murdoch Believe Sarah left for Canada 1920 from (Glasgow) On this passenger, record said to be aged 27 and a Nurse
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16 Jan 2019 13:05 |
Hang on !!! - If Margaret's daughter Sarah was born c1892/3 as you now state above, then how could Margaret (the mother) have been born in 1903 and died in 1929 ???????????
I am totally confused here - could you please check what facts you actually have and post them for us all together Ian?
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Dea x
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ArgyllGran
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16 Jan 2019 14:29 |
Who is it you're actually trying to find out about, Ian? How have you worked back to Margaret?
If it's Margaret Dillon Murdoch, then she's not the person who died in 1929.
If it's the Margaret D Murdoch who died in 1929, then she appears to be Margaret Davidson Milne.
I assume that as you haven't asked about Charles, that you know all about him. Tell us what definite facts you have about him, and then we can maybe work out who his wife was.
A tree on Ancestry says Margaret (nee Milne) had a daughter Jane Pittendrigh Murdoch 18/07/1925 in Bloomfield, New Jersey - and that record is on Ancestry. No mention of a Sarah. Her husband was Charles Pittendrigh Murdoch, , who died 18/12/1991 in Pennsylvania.
Several trees have Margaret Monteith Gillon. None say when she died, and none mention a Sarah - only the three sons. They say that her husband Charles died 1954 in Seattle.
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Ian
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16 Jan 2019 15:48 |
Hi All So sorry I am getting confused myself I thought the Margaret Dillon Murdoch died 1929 was Sarah's mother but as you have said that Margaret was born1903
here's all I have for Sarah Murdoch Name: Sarah Murdoch - Date of birth: November 21, 1892, or 1893 - Place of birth: Scotland (Glasgow?) Mother's Name: Margaret Dillon Murdoch - Father's Name: James Murdoch - Traveled to Canada in 1920. - She married in New York in 1924 with José Joaquim Fernandes
I will understand if you all decide to back off
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16 Jan 2019 16:25 |
First name(s) Sarah Last name Murdoch Sex Female Age 27 Birth year 1893 Occupation: Nurse Origin country Scotland Year 1920 Departure year 1920 Ship departure port Glasgow Departure country Scotland Destination port Glasgow Destination country Canada Arrival port QUEBEC Source dataset Passenger Lists Leaving Uk 1890-1960
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Dea
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16 Jan 2019 16:27 |
She may have crossed the border from Canada to USA - there are several on Ancestry but I don't have world wide access.....................
Perhaps someone could take a look?
It would obviously be between 1920 and 1924 but I don't see her on 1921 Canada Census so I suspect it would have been before then?
Dea x
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ErikaH
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16 Jan 2019 16:39 |
Name Jose Joaquin Fernandes Event Type Marriage Event Date 16 Feb 1924 Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Event Place Manhattan, New York Gender Male Age 33 Marital Status Single Race White Birth Year (Estimated) 1891 Birthplace Portugal Father's Name Manuel Mother's Name Maria Joaquina Spouse's Name Sarah Marie Murdock Spouse's Gender Female Spouse's Age 29 Spouse's Marital Status Single Spouse's Race White Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1895 Spouse's Birthplace Scotland Spouse's Father's Name James Spouse's Mother's Name Margaret Dillon
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ErikaH
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16 Jan 2019 16:42 |
Crookiedyke Farm, New Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Murdoch Head Married Male 36 1865 Gardener Domestic Ireland Maggie Murdoch Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Mary Murdoch Daughter - Female 8 1893 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Sarah Murdoch Daughter - Female 6 1895 Scholar Rutherglen, Lanarkshire, Scotland James Murdoch Son - Male 2 1899 - New Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland Susan Murdoch Daughter - Female 0 1901 - New Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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ErikaH
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16 Jan 2019 17:00 |
Oddly, none of the children's births appear on SP
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ArgyllGran
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16 Jan 2019 17:10 |
Scotlands People show lots of marriages 1880-94 of men named James Murdoch to women named Margaret or Maggie - but none have a middle or surname Dillon.
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Dea
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16 Jan 2019 17:13 |
Looks like she had a brother who also went to New York?
Name: James Murdock Titles and Terms: Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Jan 1931 Event Place: Manhattan, New York, New York, United States Event Place: Manhattan, New York Registration Date: Registration Year: Registration Place: Gender: Male Age: 31 Marital Status: Single Previous Wife's Name: Race: White Birth Date: Birth Year (Estimated): 1900 Birthplace: Scotland Father's Name: James Father's Titles and Terms: Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Margaret Dillon
Spouse's Name: Kathleen Smythe Spouse's Titles and Terms: Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Age: 29 Spouse's Marital Status: Single Spouse's Previous Husband's Name: Spouse's Race: White Spouse's Birth Date: Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1902 Spouse's Birthplace: Ireland Spouse's Father's Name: James Spouse's Father's Titles and Terms: Spouse's Mother's Name: Mary Butler
Note: Reference ID: cn 884 GS Film Number: 1684187 Frame Number:
Citing this Record "New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24D7-7K7 : 10 February 2018), Mary Butler in entry for James Murdock and Kathleen Smythe, 10 Jan 1931; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,684,187.
Perhaps we can find when he travelled over?
Dea x
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16 Jan 2019 17:14 |
Sarah's death
Name James Murdoch gender Male Wife Margaret Dillon Daughter Sarah Murdoch Fernandes Other information in the record of Sarah Murdoch Fernandes from Brasil, Rio de Janeiro, Registro Civil Name Sarah Murdoch Fernandes Event Type Death Registration Event Place Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Gender Female Age 75 Birth Year (Estimated) 1892 Death Date 10 Abr 1967 Father's Name James Murdoch Mother's Name Margaret Dillon Spouse's Name José Joaquim Fernandes
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ErikaH
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16 Jan 2019 17:25 |
?? UK address Renfrew Occ: Caulker
Name: James Murdoch Gender: Male Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1900 Departure Date: 23 Jun 1923 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: New York, USA Ship Name: Franconia Shipping Line: Cunard Line Official Number: 147216 Master: Captain Geo W Melsom
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ArgyllGran
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16 Jan 2019 17:49 |
This could be the Sarah from the 1901 census posted by Erika:
Sarah Murdoch in the Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924 Name: Sarah Murdoch Gender: Female Estimated birth year: abt 1893 Birth Place: Rutherglen, Scotland Age: 27 Date of Arrival: 20 Jun 1920 Port of Arrival: Quebec Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Ship Name: Saturnia
Going to Canadian Government Hostel, Toronto.
Father: James Murdoch, 72 Love Street, Paisley.
She's a Nurse, domestic.
EDIT: this may be the same journey posted by Erika.
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ArgyllGran
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16 Jan 2019 18:08 |
The 1901 Crookiedyke Farm family look increasingly likely.
We have Sarah and James fitting that, and both emigrating.
This looks like Margaret in 1891 and 1871 - at least the same place and date of birth as Maggie Murdoch:
Margaret Dillon in the 1891 Scotland Census Name: Margaret Dillon Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's name: James Dillon Mother's name: Sarah Dillon Gender: Female Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire Registration Number: 646/3 Registration district: Partick Civil Parish: Govan County: Lanarkshire Address: 15 Merkland St Occupation: Upholstery Semer ED: 10 Household schedule number: 127 Line: 22 Roll: CSSCT1891_305 Household Members: Name Age James Dillon 42 Sarah Dillon 50 Margaret Dillon 24 Mary Dillon 23 Daniel Dillon 21 Sarah Dillon 14 Agnes Dillon 12 Henry B Dillon 11
Margaret Dillen in the 1871 Scotland Census Name: Margaret Dillen Age: 4 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Relationship: Daughter Father's name: James Dillen Mother's name: Sarah Dillen Gender: Female Where born: Paisley, Renfrewshire Registration Number: 575 Registration district: Renfrew Civil Parish: Renfrew Town: Renfrew County: Renfrewshire Address: 2 Glebe St ED: 5 Household schedule number: 64 Line: 14 Roll: CSSCT1871_104 Household Members: Name Age James Dillen 29 Sarah Dillen 29 Daniel Dillen 1 Margaret Dillen 4 Mary Dillen 3
But still no sign of her marriage.
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Ian
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16 Jan 2019 19:47 |
Hi ALL WOW, Thank you all so much for your hard work you are all totally amazing researchers. I have been looking for ages and getting nowhere.
Lots of family details for me to process this will keep me quite for some time I think
Ian
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Ian
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16 Jan 2019 20:11 |
Hi All I believe I may have found Sarah and her parents on Scotlandspeople.
Sarah Maria Murtagh birth certificate 21/11/1894 Rutherglen (Birthday falls correctly) father James Murtagh occ Gardener mother Maggie Dillon they married 13/4/1891 Partick, Glasgow
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ArgyllGran
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16 Jan 2019 23:23 |
Looks good, Ian.
So these are the births of the other siblings shown in 1901:
MURTAGH SUSAN F 1901 651/ 106 Airdrie or New Monkland
MURTAGH JAMES M 1899 651/ 70 Airdrie or New Monkland
MURTAGH MARY F 1893 644/9 151 Kelvin
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