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Shirley's husband has a number of siblings - all single births, as far as one can tell

Shirley's mother in law in 1939

22 Daniel Fold , Rochdale C.B., Lancashire, England


Kenneth Royds 23 Jul 1934 Male At School Single 251 2
Helen Ingerham (Royds) 07 Sep 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 251 1
Marlene Royds 17 Jan 1937 Female Under School Age Single 251

First husband's death

Deaths Jun 1978 (>99%)
ROYDS KENNETH 24MR1915 BOLTON 38 185

Second marriage

Marriages Jun 1979 (>99%)
Ingerman Albert E Royds Rochdale 39 412
ROYDS HELEN INGERHAM ROCHDALE 39 412

Thank you for your help. I'll further investigate on my tree

Of course, none of the above answers your query about multiple births.

I'll leave it to you to investigate.

Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%)
Chatwin Sarah Ann Preston 8e 1203
Maloney Stephen Preston 8e 1203

Deaths Mar 1914 (>99%)
Maloney Stephen 36 Preston 8e 807


Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Pettyford John C Chatwin Preston 8e 633
Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Pettyford Emily Chetwin Preston 8e 620
Births Jun 1921 (>99%)
Pettyford Eileen Chatwin Preston 8e 1076

Deaths Mar 1940 (>99%)
Pettyford John C 71 Preston 8e 1535

Deaths Jun 1956 (>99%)
PETTYFORD Margaret A 75 Preston 10f 319

Yes there is one more generation from Eliza, Her son John C had a son John C who was Shirley's father. The confusion has been through the two John C's :-S

1939

29 Aspden Street , Preston C.B., Lancashire, England


John Charles Pettyford 14 Jan 1869 Male Cotton Weaver - Retired Married 125 1
A Margaret Pettyford 21 Sep 1880 Female Drawing Tenter - Retire Married 125 2
Emily Cairns (Pettyford) 10 Jun 1918 Female Cotton Slover Single 125 3
John Charles Pettyford 30 Mar 1917 Male Cotton Spinner Single 125 4
Richard Watson 25 Aug 1898 Male Labourer - Unskilled Mental Deficie Single 125 5

The only birth for Shirley Pettyford on freebmd is in 1948

And no marriage for John Pettyford before 1916


There is at least one more generation between Eliza's son and Shirley's father

Eliza's son??

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916
PETTYFORD John Charles MALONEY Sarah Ann Preston, St Mary Preston 233/6/267



1941 - Shirley's parents
PETTYFORD John Charles LEACH Harriet Littleborough Register Office or Registrar Attended Rochdale LM/2/209

Marriages Jun 1866 (>99%)
GIBARD Kezia Buckingham 3a 771
Gibbard Kesia Buckingham 3a 771
GIBBARD Keziah Buckingham 3a 771
Petty William Buckingham 3a 771


Record set Buckinghamshire Banns Index
First name(s) Keziah
Sex Female
Last name Gibbard
Banns year 1866
Marriage year -
Spouse's first name(s) William
Spouse's last name Pettey
Denomination Anglican
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Place Padbury
Document type Parish registers
Marital status widowed
Residence Padbury
Banns date 03 Jun 1866
Spouse's marital status widowed
Spouse's residence Padbury

Well, her father didn't change his name.............

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Old End, Padbury, Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

William Petty Head Married Male 76 1805 Tailor Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Kezia Petty Wife Married Female 66 1815 Tailor South Newton, Cambridgeshire, England
Edwin C Glevis Grand Son Single Male 7 1874 Scholar Yardley Gobion, Northamptonshire, England

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Station Hill, Main Street, Padbury, Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, England

William Petty Head Married Male 81 1810 Tailor Buckinghamshire, England
Kezia Petty Wife Married Female 71 1820 - Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Martha
Last name Petty
Age 56
Birth year 1810
Denomination Church Of England
Residence Walton-Le-Dale
Death year 1866
Burial year 1866
Burial date 18 Jan 1866
Burial place Walton Le Dale, St Leonard
Diocese Blackburn
County Lancashire
Country England
Next of kin William Petty
Next of kin relationship Wife of
Archive Lancashire Record Office
Archive reference PR 2948/1/19

1861 - still as Petty

Martha Petty Head Married Female 50 1811 - Oxfordshire, England
Eliza Petty Daughter Unmarried Female 25 1836 Cotton Powerloom Weaver Buckinghamshire, England
William ... Petty Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Cotton Powerloom Weaver Buckinghamshire, England
Sarah Ann Petty Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1844 Cotton Powerloom Weaver Buckinghamshire, England
Thomas J Petty Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 ... In Cotton Mill Claydon, Buckinghamshire, England
John Petty Son - Male 12 1849 1/2 Time On Cotton Mill 1/2 Time Scholar Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England

Thank you . The name Petty changed to Pettyford between 1851 and 1861. Eliza was unmarried so did she change her name? I wonder.

If there were no known instances of multiple births prior to thos of Shirley's children, the genetic propensity to producing twins etc must surely be through her husbands line.

Have you investigated that possibility?

1851

William Petty Head Married Male 41 1810 Tailor Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Martha Petty Wife Married Female 41 1810 Tailoress Oxfordshire, England
Harriett Petty Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 Lace Maker Tingewick, Buckinghamshire, England
Eliza Petty Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1838 Lace Maker Tingewick, Buckinghamshire, England
William Petty Son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Ag Labourer Tingewick, Buckinghamshire, England
Sarah Ann Petty Daughter - Female 7 1844 Lace Maker Gawcott, Buckinghamshire, England
Thomas Petty Son - Male 5 1846 - Steeple Claydon, Buckinghamshire, England
John Charles Petty Son - Male 2 1849 - Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England

Not sure what you're hoping for

How much research have you done yourself?

INFO.............1871
NOTE Eliza is unmarried


Eliza Pettyford Head - Female 31 1840 - Buckinghamshire, England
Sarah A Pettyford Sister - Female 24 1847 - Buckinghamshire, England
Emily Pettyford Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Lancashire, England
John Pettyford Brother - Male 22 1849 - Buckinghamshire, England
John C Pettyford Son - Male 2 1869 - Lancashire, England

How/when did the surname mutate from Petty to Pettyford?

1881

Eliza Pettyford Head Single Female 42 1839 Cotton Weaver Buckinghamshire, England
John Pettyford Brother Single Male 32 1849 Cotton Cloth Carrier Padbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Emily Pettyford Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Cotton Weaver Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England
William Pettyford Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England

I found this ancestor on 1841 census. I am interested to find out if there are any multiple births in this family.

His daughter Eliza Pettyford 1836 moved to Walton le Dale from Bucks had 3 separate children. Her children as far as I know didn't have twins.

But her son John Pettyford 1868 had grandchildren who were triplets - 3 girls from his daughter Shirley (nee Pettyford).

In our present day family there are 4 sets of twins spread over 3 families.

Is there a connection?




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