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I have never tried to go back as far as John Jones parents/siblings, he may have had brothers/sisters.

Yes, you could have a point there, I have had the exact same thing happen in another part of my family tree, it was caused by the Mother died, and the sister took the child on as her own, but yes, that is a possibility.

sorry i mean't could lewis's mother be a sister of the john who was lewis's father in the census and john and elizabeth took him in as their son

just a thought

Maddie in your "more experienced than me opinion" do you think they are one and the same, because I do.

I think he was the illegitimate child of Enoch and Elizabeth. From what you put above, they lived in different places.

It would explain a lot.

Those 2 GRO entries you found, he could have been registered twice, under both names, I have seen that before. Maybe I should order both PDF's

I didn't find a baptism for John. Could easily have missed it, will look later, but I think John was Lewis's brother. Elizabeth, to the best of my knowledge mmn was Thomas,

Lewis
Last name Lewis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1838
Baptism date 15 Apr 1838
Place Llangynfelin
County Cardiganshire
Country Wales
Father's first name(s) Enoch
Father's last name Lewis
Father occupation Shoemaker
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name Jones ---------------------- johns sister ??????
Residence Llanelle ? Trerdole
Page 60
Archive type Baptisms

image says illegitimate child
enoch - llanelle monmouthshie
elizbeth - tredole

The 2nd one looks interesting, I maybe should consider ordering the certificate.

In fact they both look interesting.

Thank you Maddie.

lewis lewis

LEWIS, LEWIS -
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 27 Page 20
LEWIS, LEWIS JONES
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH Volume 27 Page 14

When I first started looking I thought the occupation of Hatter was rare, but from browsing the census's it is quite a common occupation.

haven't found an ench on the cen maybe just coincidencesus as a shoemaker but found one with wife mary as a hatter, maybe just a coincidence

Possibly took both surnames to make it Lewis Jones. If he was illegitimate.

Its only a theory.

Interesting you should find that one, because I was just searching for all the siblings of John and Elizabeth Jones, and what came up for Lewis Jones (if he is the one) was Lewis Jones, baptised 15th April 1838, illegitimate son of Enoch Lewis Shoemaker,and Elizabeth Jones, and Elizabeth's abode is Trerddole.

Am beginning to wonder if he is one and the same, and that maybe that is why I could to find him.

All the other siblings parents are stated as John and Elizabeth Jones of Trerddole, with John as a Hatter, expect for John Jnr. 1836, cant find him yet.

to rule him out

Lewis
Last name Jones
Age 19
Birth year 1838
Event year 1857
Banns year -
Marriage year 1857
Marriage date 12 Jun 1857
Marriage place Llanbadarn Fawr
Marital status bachelor
Residence Goginan
Occupation Miner
Father's first name(s) Enoch Jones
Father occupation Shoe Maker ----------------
Spouse's first name(s) Ann
Spouse's last name Davies
Spouse's age 22
Spouse's birth year 1835
Spouse's marital status spinster
Spouse's residence Aberystwith
Spouse's occupation Bonnet Maker
Spouse's father's first name(s) John Davies
Spouse father occupation Joiner
Witness's name John Morgan
Second witness's name Thomas Morgan
County Cardiganshire
Country Wales
Event Marriage
Page 145
Archive type Marriages
Archive year range 1853-1860

I know he was married to Eleanor Humphreys, and Ruth Evans before that, I have both marriage certificates, but its his birth record and first marriage that I just cant prove. Its been the biggest brick wall I have ever had.

Thats the one, thank you Maddie.

I am hoping it will lead me to her Brother Lewis Jones, my GG Grandfather, whose baptism I just cant find anywhere, and just now I found a possible baptism record for a Lewis Jones 15th April 1938 stating Lewis as the illegitimate son of Enoch Lewis and Elizabeth, Enoch is a shoemaker, the address is also Treddole. I just don't know where to go from here.

Thank you for finding it for me, much appreciated.

1841 already posted

Trereddole, Llancynfelin, Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire, Wales
st name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Jones Male 46 1795 Cardiganshire, Wales ---- a hatter
Elizabeth Jones Female 40 1801 Cardiganshire, Wales
Catherine Jones Female 14 1827 Cardiganshire, Wales
David Jones Male 9 1832 Cardiganshire, Wales
John Jones Male 5 1836 Cardiganshire, Wales
Thomas Jones Male 4 1837 Cardiganshire, Wales
Lewis Jones Male 2 1839 Cardiganshire, Wales ----
Margaret Jones Female 0 1841 Cardiganshire, Wales -----
Jane Richard Female 70 1771 Cardiganshire, Wales

from fmp but no image

Margaret
Last name Jones
Gender Female
Birth year 1840
Baptism year 1840
Baptism date 04 Nov 1840
Baptism place LLANCYNFELYN,CARDIGAN,WALES
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Jones
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Place Llancynfelyn
County Cardiganshire
Country Wales
Record set Wales Births & Baptisms 1541-1907

1851
Trerddol, Llancynfelin, Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire, Wales
John Jones Head Married Male 57 1794 Hatter Cardiganshire, Wales
Elizabeth Jones Wife Married Female 54 1797 Hatters Wife Caernarvonshire, Wales
Margaret Jones Daughter - Female 10 1841 Hatters Daughter Cardiganshire, Wales
Abraham Jones Son - Male 7 1850 Hatters Son Cardiganshire, Wales
Isaac Jones Son - Male 7 1844 Hatters Son Cardiganshire, Wales

I know this thread regarding my Great Grandfather Lewis Jones (1839 Llancynfelin) has been going on for a while, but I think I have now found a sister for him. A Margaret Jones, baptised 4 Nov 1840, at Llancynfelyn, Cardigan, Wales. Same place Lewis was born. Parents are stated as John and Elizabeth Jones, same as Lewis's.

John Jones was a Hatter.

I found this entry on Ancestry, film number 105175 and was hoping to see it on FMP so I could maybe view the actual record but I cannott see it on there. Ancestry do not provide an image.

Could you please have a quick look to see if you can find an image for me, somewhere

Ok AG, thank you, I made extensive searches to and couldn't find one. I will order a PDF birth certificate.

Thank you for looking anyway.

xx

Her birth:

JONES, EUNICE mms HUMPHREYS
GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 516

I don't see any christening record for her.

Could you kindly have a quick look for Eunice/Unice's baptism records for me please.
B 1886 Clydach Vale. Glamorgan.

Father Lewis Jones, Mother Elenour/Eleanor/Ellen Humphreys (she used all those christian names over the time)

Thank you in advance.