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One thing I did notice. Discrepancies in ages by as much as five years from 1881 census and 1891 census for Thomas and Margaret and their children. Did it say on the census where Bridget was born? Was it Liverpool?, :-)

Thanks for that. Thought I'd missed something. Got brain fog lately. Yes I think you are right not to trust date of birth. I did find a Margaret callaghan born in Bolton for 1875 so did think she could have been daughter of John and Emma. But think I have discounted that now. Unless Margaret daughter of another son but there doesnt seem to be one. Thanks for the info and help everyone. May have to resign to not discovering her birth cert ??????

The birth of Margaret with father Patrick was suggested because it was in Lancashire, on the 19th of a month in 1875, and her name would match your Margaret.

As already pointed out, her DOB as given in 1939 is not necessarily correct.

However, I agree with you that your Margaret is the daughter of Thomas.
Unfortunately we can't find her birth convincingly - nor her siblings' births - which is why any possibility is being investigated.

Even if (grasping at straws here) Thomas and Margaret weren't married and the births were registered under Margaret's surname, there still doesn't seem to be any one obvious name, as far as I can see.

On the 1881 census she is down as the granddaughter of Thomas and Margaret but think she is the daughter as she has Thomas down as her father on her marriage to Thomas Byrne in 1894 in Burnley.
Have I missed the Patrick connection somewhere?, :-)

Hi. Have I missed something. Not sure about this Patrick and Margaret?, my Margaret ellen Duffy was probably born to Thomas Duffy and Margaret. Born on 19th March 1875. I can't figure out the connection to Patrick. Please coukd someone explain as I think I am definately missing something?
:-)

Shirley asked .............

She born 19th March 1875 apparently. From the 1939 census?, how accurate coukd that be

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It could well be far from accurate!!!!!!!

People have always lied about their age, or given wrong dates because they didn't know.

Example that I have posted several times on these Boards ..............

My grandfather lied about his age on his marriage certificate (so did his bride) .......... both added 1 or 2 years to their ages but still didn't make themselves 21 or over. She said she was 20, he said he was 19.

He lied to his family for all his life about his birthday ............. we HAD to go to see him on Christmas Day because that was his birthday. Nope ............. he was born on January 9 (as discovered after he died).

His date of birth on the 1939 Register is therefore 25 December 1884

Nope .............. it was January 9 1885 (birth certificate).

Only about 2 weeks ............... but it makes a difference when searching for someone with a common name!

In fact .......... his year of birth varies from 1884 to 1886 depending on what he said, and that is on official documents!


Never ever trust ages except on birth certificates, and even they might be slightly wrong!

The 1911 above which shows Margaret with her father Patrick and her sister Jane now married to a James Scott is obviously the Margaret with mm name of Wade as this is Jane's birth reg:

DUFFY, JANE WADE Order
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 360

Margaret's baptism does show her with the correct middle name (all names latinised of course as this is a Catholic baptism) - "Margarita Helena Duffy - filia Patritii Duffy & Helenae (formerly Wade)".

Dea x

The 1875 birth posted by safc is this one:

DUFFY, MARGARET mms MONTGOMERY
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 101


I think this is the marriage of the parents:

Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
Duffey Robert Liverpool 8b 105
MONTGOMERY Margaret Liverpool 8b 105

and the family in 1881:

Margaret Duffy
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Margaret Duffy
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Robert Duffy
Mother: Margaret Duffy
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool
[Liverpool, Lancashire, England]
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Court 2 House
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors:
Piece: 3625
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Duffy 36
Margaret Duffy 33
Elizabeth Duffy 12
Robert Duffy 11
Francis Duffy 10
Margaret Duffy 6
Eliza Duffy 4
Miriam Duffy 2

Could this be the birth of the above Margaret with mothers maiden name WADE ?

DYFIE, MARGARET WADE Order
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in BLACKBURN Volume 08E Page 354 Order

Dea x

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Births Mar 1875 (>99%)
Duffy Margaret Liverpool 8b 101

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales

35 Hannah St Blackburn Lancashire, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
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Patrick Duffy's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Duffy Head Widow Male 69 1842 Labourer Galway Ireland
Margaret Duffy Daughter Single Female 37 1874 Weaver Blackburn Lancashire xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
James Scot Son In Law Married Male 29 1882 Post Man Chorley Lancashire
Jane Scot Daughter Married Female 29 1882 Weaver Blackburn Lancashire
James Scot Grandson - Male 4 1907 - Blackburn Lancashire
Clarence Scot Grandson - Male 1 1910 - Blackburn Lancashire
William Edgar Scot Grandson - Male 8 1903 - Blackburn Lancashire

margaret still with patrick

Safc, don't think that Margaret elken coukd be mine unless I'm missing something. Her father is Thomas on her wedding cert. Unless he adopted her. And her birthday is degibately 19th March 1875.

Marriage: 1 Jun 1868 St Mary RC, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Patrick Duffy -
Ellen Wade -
Groom's Parents: Thomas Duffy & Ann
Bride's Parents: Michael Wade & Penella
Witness: John Mellody; Ann Duffy
Married by: R. Dunderdale
Register: Marriages 1862 - 1913, Page 54, Entry 216
Source: Original Register

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Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%)
DUFFY Margaret Liverpool 8b 450
DUFFY Thomas Liverpool 8b 450

But I can't find consistently matching births of the children.

Yes Duffy a common name I suppose. Think had I r ish background

She born 19th March 1875 apparently. From the 1939 census?, how accurate coukd that be

Looking for Thomas & Margaret's other children's births -

I can't find any consistent mms for any possible birth of any of the children, to find out Margaret senior's surname before marriage.

Still wonder why not registered birth. Can anyone find marriage if Thomas and Margaret. Can anyone check where Thomas and Margaret are born please.

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Baptism: 19 Sep 1875 St Alban, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Margarita Helena Duffy - filia Patritii Duffy & Helenae (formerly Wade)
Born: 19 Sep 1875
Godparents: Columkill Curran; Maria Glynn
Baptised by: Dan Allen B.A.
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1880, Page 247, Entry 1231
Source: Original Parish Register at Lancashire Archives

would you be born and baptised the same day ?
as you would need a priest there

i could be wrong

Perhaps it woukd be good to get the gro certificate for Margaret s marriage rather than just what's on the church site