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6 Jan 2019 16:02 |
Which one Meredith Bevan?
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6 Jan 2019 11:52 |
You still haven't commented on the Meredith Bevan findings
New thread started re William Davies https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1375182
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Doreen
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5 Jan 2019 20:31 |
It was correct that Margaret Jane Bevan married William Davies on 16th Dec 1890 in Pontypridd. I dont know what happened to William wasn't listed on 1911 Census as above. Hope you can help to find what happened to William Davies? Thanks your your big helps!
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5 Jan 2019 19:13 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 3, Penygraig Terrace, Ynysybwl, Llanwonno, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Davies Head Married Male 36 1865 Coal Miner Overlooker Merthyr, Glamorganshire, Wales Margaret Davies Wife Married Female 30 1871 - Breconshire, Wales Annie B Davies Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales Ernest Davies Son - Male 7 1894 - Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales Elizabeth O Davies Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales William J Davies Son - Male 3 1898 - Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales Wyndham Davies Son - Male 2 1899 - Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales Mabel S Davies Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Llanwonno, Glamorganshire, Wales
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: DAVIES, ELIZABETH OLWEN BEVAN Order GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 532
------------------------------------- 1911 Census For England & Wales 80 Bartlett St Caerphilly, Eglwysilan, Glamorganshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Margaret Jane Davies Head Married Female 39 1872 - Gwenddwr Breconshire Elizabeth Olwen Davies Daughter Single Female 15 1896 - Ynysbwl Glamorgan William Ivor Davies Son - Male 13 1898 School Ynysbwl Glamorgan Mabel Sophia Davies Daughter - Female 10 1901 School Ynysbwl Glamorgan Hilda Maud Gwendoline Davies Daughter - Female 8 1903 - Ynysbwl Glamorgan Winifred May Davies Daughter - Female 7 1904 - Ynysbwl Glamorgan James John Morris Boarder Single Male 34 1877 Haulier Underground Knighton Radnorshire
Margaret married 20 years, 11 children born - 8 still living, 3 have died
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: DAVIES, WINIFRED MAY BEVAN Order GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 612 Order
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5 Jan 2019 18:52 |
Anything to say about all the information already found?? Do you think it may be your family or not.
You've marked the thread as answered but are still asking questions, no-one else is looking in to help. Try altering your heading adding along the lines of - more help needed please. it's a quirk of the site - marks the whole thing as answered, not just one particular part and can;t be undone.
IF you've decided the right family has been found - (check on ancestry tree after finding these records indicate I'm on the right track)
??? Working backwards got me to this marriage (one male name missing), will post in order going forward.
You need the marriage certificate for Father's name to confirm correct Margaret
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%) Bevan Margaret Pontypridd 11a 950 Davies William Pontypridd 11a 950 Evans Catherine Pontypridd 11a 950
------------------------------- 1891 - at the same address but different households - the newly married Margaret Jane and listed as visiting the other household her sister Elizabeth Ann (transcribed as Bearon rather than Beavan/Bevan). Both seem to have "lost" a couple of years age wise.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census 42 Augusta Street, Llanwonno, Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Oliver Y C Fear Head Married Male 31 1860 Coal Miner Window Pit Somerset, England Elizabeth Fear Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Glamorganshire, Wales Evan Fear Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Glamorganshire, Wales Hugh C Fear Son Single Male 7 1884 Scholar Glamorganshire, Wales Frederick H Fear Son Single Male 5 1886 Scholar Glamorganshire, Wales Elizabeth Ann Bearon Visitor Single Female 21 1870 - Gwenddwr, Breconshire, Wales<<<<<<<
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Davies Head Married Male 26 1865 Coal Miner Window Pit Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales Margaret Davies Wife Married Female 19 1872 Gwenddwr, Breconshire, Wales<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Doreen
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5 Jan 2019 10:53 |
I believe Margaret Jane Davies (nee Bevan) got a daughter Winifred May Davies. I was told that they live in a farm up north Wales in 1904?
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4 Jan 2019 22:39 |
Breconshire Baptisms
First name(s) Meredith Last name Bevan Birth year 1845 Birth date ? ? 1845 Baptism year 1845 Baptism date 26 Oct 1845 Place Gwenddwr County Breconshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) Meredith Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Page 26 Record set Breconshire Baptisms
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Breconshire Marriages And Banns
First name(s) Meredith Last name Bevan Birth year - Event year 1835 Banns year - Marriage year 1835 Marriage date 14 Aug 1835 Marriage place Gwenddwr Residence Gwenddwr Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse's last name Jones Spouse's birth year - Spouse's residence Gwenddwr County Breconshire Country Wales Event Marriage
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Margaret Jane b 1869 daughter of Meredith b 1845 Meredith Bevan son of Meredith Bevan b c1793
---------------------------- Never believe other people's trees without seeing proof of what they claim. you need certificates to prove each generation before rushing further back.
And if asking for help start at known proven facts i.e. Marjorie Jane who you say in your PM is "yours"
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4 Jan 2019 22:37 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Village of Gwenddwr, Gwenddwr South, Builth, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Meredith Bevan Head Widower Male 68 1793 Retired Inn Keeper Gwenddwr, Brecknockshire, Wales Meredith Bevan Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Scholar Gwenddwr, Brecknockshire, Wales
-------------------- 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Unicorn Inn, Gwenddwr South, Builth, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Meredith Bewan Head Married Male 58 1793 Victualler Gwenddwr, Brecknockshire, Wales Elizabeth Bewan Wife Married Female 49 1802 Wife Alltmawr, Brecknockshire, Wales Thomas Bewan Son - Male 13 1838 Scholar Brecknockshire, Wales Meredith Bewan Son - Male 5 1846 - Brecknockshire, Wales
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4 Jan 2019 22:30 |
PM from Doreen -
I found this Bevan Family Tree on website https://www.geni.com/family-tree/canvas/6000000011514581533 so I thought I can ask this message centre to see if they can help.
Our was Margaret Jane Bevan, believe she married to a man's surname Davies. Her parents Meredith 1848 and Anne 1850.
I cant go further since John 1802 and Mary Bevan 1804
Thank you so much for your big helps
============================================== I think that tree may well be wrong - does anyone else think I might be on the right track? (An Ancestry tree has the same as me - looks to be well researched, but I didn't look until after I'd researched myself)
SO -
Working backwards - Margaret Jane Bevan with parents (posted earlier)
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Unicorn Inn, South Gwenddwr, Builth, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Meredith Bevan Head - Male 24 1847 - Breconshire, Wales Ann Bevan Wife - Female 21 1850 - Radnorshire, Wales Elizabeth Ann Bevan Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Breconshire, Wales Margaret Jane Bevan Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Breconshire, Wales
-------------- Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: BEVAN, MARGARET JANE THOMAS Order GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in THE BUILTH UNION Volume 11B Page 95 Order
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First name(s) Meredith <<<< Last name Bevan Age Full Birth year - Event year 1867 Banns year - Marriage year 1867 Marriage date 02 Feb 1867 Marriage place Gwenddwr Father's first name(s) Meredith <<<<<< Father's last name Bevan Spouse's first name(s) Anne Spouse's last name Thomas Spouse's age Full Spouse's birth year - Spouse's father's last name Thomas Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
the Ancestry tree has a copy of the actual marriage certificate.
Meredith is shown as a Carpenter - matches 1881 census, not posted here, when he's shown as an Innkeeper and Carpenter. witnesses John Jones and Jane Thomas
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4 Jan 2019 21:14 |
There is this baptism of a David Bevan - a bit older than the 1851 census suggests
Breconshire Baptisms
First name(s) David Last name Bevan Birth year 1800 Birth date ? ? 1800 Baptism year 1800 Baptism date 25 Dec 1800 Place Gwenddwr County Breconshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) Meredith Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Page 2
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4 Jan 2019 21:00 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1867 (>99%) Bevan Meredith Builth 11b 137 Thomas Anne Builth 11b 137
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Unicorn Inn, South Gwenddwr, Builth, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Meredith Bevan Head - Male 24 1847 - Breconshire, Wales Ann Bevan Wife - Female 21 1850 - Radnorshire, Wales Elizabeth Ann Bevan Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Breconshire, Wales Margaret Jane Bevan Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Breconshire, Wales
Meredith recorded as Innkeeper born Gwenddwr
-------------------------------------- Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BEVAN, ELIZABETH ANN THOMAS Order GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in THE BUILTH UNION Volume 11B Page 95
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Ann Bevan aged 68 Head of house an AG. Lab's widow b LLanavon Jane Bevan 25 Daughter b Llanvechan John Bevan 8 grandson b Altmawr? James Bevan 2 grandson b Gwenddwr
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4 Jan 2019 20:52 |
The Meredith Bevan family who baptised Thomas 1839
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Gwenddur Village, Gwenddwr, South, Builth, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Meredith Bevan Male 50 1791 Breconshire, Wales Innkeeper Elizabeth Bevan Female 35 1806 Breconshire, Wales Thomas Bevan Male 3 1838 Breconshire, Wales
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4 Jan 2019 20:49 |
1841 already posted, along with 1851 for same family.
If you can decide who it is you are looking for, then I'll try to help further - what relationship is John Bevan to whom!
Sorry can't look for everything all at once !!
Breconshire Baptisms
First name(s) Meredith Last name Bevan Birth year 1827 Birth date ? ? 1827 Baptism year 1827 Baptism date 25 Nov 1827 Place Gwenddwr County Breconshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) David Mother's first name(s) Mary Page 19
also showing -with parents David (Shoemaker) and Mary - at Gwenddwr Mary Beavan -26.4.1829 Evan Bevan - 28.10.1832 Elizabeth - 3.2.1839 - shows Father as first name Davis on transcript but same person Jane - 7.10.1841
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On same page as Elizabeth in OPR there is this baptism on 10.2.1839 Thomas son of Meredith (Innkeeper) and Elizabeth Bevan of Gwenddwr, so not the ones you're looking for but maybe a family member
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Doreen
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4 Jan 2019 20:25 |
Thanks Greyghost
This one is correct. No sign of John Bevan 1802 on this census? And also Any sign of John 1802 or Mary 1806's parents?
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Gwenddur Village, Gwenddwr, South, Builth, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Mary Bevan Female 35 1806 Breconshire, Wales Meredith Bevan Male 13 1828 Breconshire, Wales Mary Bevan Female 11 1830 Breconshire, Wales David Bevan Male 9 1832 Breconshire, Wales Evan Bevan Male 8 1833 Breconshire, Wales Jane Bevan Female 0 1841 Breconshire, Wales Elizabeth Bevan Female 2 1839 Breconshire, Wales David Davies Male 22 1819 Breconshire, Wales
Can you confirm if Meredith Bevan 1848 and wife mary 1850 were the Unicorn Inn keepers in Gwenddwr, Builth?
Thanks for your helpings
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4 Jan 2019 20:23 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Erwood, Crickadarn, Builth, Radnorshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place David Bevan Head Married Male 47 1804 Shoemaker Breconshire, Wales Mary Bevan Wife Married Female 46 1805 - Breconshire, Wales Merdith Bevan Son Unmarried Male 23 1828 - Breconshire, Wales Mary Bevan Daughter Unmarried Female 21 1830 - Breconshire, Wales David Bevan Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Work Man Breconshire, Wales Jane Bevan Daughter - Female 10 1841 - Breconshire, Wales Ann Bevan Daughter - Female 7 1844 - Breconshire, Wales Elenor Bevan Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Breconshire, Wales Meredith Bevan Grand Son - Male 2 1849 - Breconshire, Wales
--------------------- Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: BEVAN, ANN DAVIES Order GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in THE BUILTH UNION Volume 26 Page 277
BUT ?? BEVAN, ELEANOR EVANS Order GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in THE BUILTH UNION Volume 26 Page 299
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4 Jan 2019 20:05 |
So IS THIS the family - not a lot of difference between John 1804 and Anne 1806 !! More information initially would have saved a lot of time and effort by helpers !
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Gwenddur Village, Gwenddwr, South, Builth, Breconshire, Wales
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Mary Bevan Female 35 1806 Breconshire, Wales w/o Shoemaker Meredith Bevan Male 13 1828 Breconshire, Wales Mary Bevan Female 11 1830 Breconshire, Wales David Bevan Male 9 1832 Breconshire, Wales Evan Bevan Male 8 1833 Breconshire, Wales Jane Bevan Female 0 1841 Breconshire, Wales Elizabeth Bevan Female 2 1839 Breconshire, Wales David Davies Male 22 1819 Breconshire, Wales
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Breconshire Baptisms
First name(s) Meredith Last name Bevan Birth year 1827 Birth date ? ? 1827 Baptism year 1827 Baptism date 25 Nov 1827 Place Gwenddwr County Breconshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) David Mother's first name(s) Mary Page 19
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Breconshire Marriages And Banns
First name(s) David Last name Bevan Birth year - Event year 1825 Banns year - Marriage year 1825 Marriage date 31 May 1825 Marriage place Gwenddwr Residence Gwenddwr Spouse's first name(s) Mary Spouse's last name Davies Spouse's birth year - Spouse's residence Gwenddwr County Breconshire Country Wales
There is a Davies in the 1841 household
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Doreen
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4 Jan 2019 20:05 |
Sorry I was told that it was Mary 1806 not Anne, sorry I was mistake.
John Bevan 1804 and Mary 1806 from Builth. Who were their parents in 17th century?
Their children
Meredith Bevan 1828 Mary Bevan 1830 David Bevan 1832 m Mary 1828 Evan 1833 m Jane (Morgan) John and Jane (twins?) 1841
I believe their grandson Meredith Bevan 1848 and spouse Ann 1850 were innkeeper at Unicorn Inn, Gwenddwr near Builth. Is this correct?
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4 Jan 2019 19:54 |
Marriage posted by safc - John BEAVAN Bachelor and Anne Lewis Spinster married by Banns with consent of Parents.
John has signed Bevan, Anne has made her mark.
witnesses - David Evans and Rees Price
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4 Jan 2019 19:49 |
A couple of possibles for Anne -
Breconshire Baptisms
First name(s) Anne Last name Lewis Birth year 1800 Birth date ? ? 1800 Baptism year 1800 Baptism date 13 Sep 1800 Place Llanafan Fawr County Breconshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) Rees Mother's first name(s) Mary Lewis Page 38
From image - Anne the Illegitimate daughter of Rees Lewis of ?Fronwen and Mary Lewis - de ?Tynowydd
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Breconshire Baptisms
First name(s) Anne Last name Lewis Birth year 1802 Birth date ? ? 1802 Baptism year 1802 Baptism date 05 Dec 1802 Place Llanafan Fawr County Breconshire Country Wales Father's first name(s) Benjamin Mother's first name(s) Jane Page 40
image - Anne the daughter of Benjamin Lewis by Jane his wife - can't read the last 3 words - ? de Cefu Uippa ??????
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Doreen
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4 Jan 2019 19:37 |
Or it must be John Bevan 1804 and Mary? 1802 from Builth
Their children
Meredith Bevan 1828 Mary Bevan 1830 David Bevan 1832 m Mary 1828 Evan 1833 m Jane (Morgan) John and Jane (twins?) 1841
I believe their grandson Meredith Bevan 1848 and spouse Ann 1850 were innkeeper at Unicorn Inn, Gwenddwr near Builth.
I'm looking for John Bevan 1804 and Mary 1802 their parents? Hope anyone can help?
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