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Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	4 Jan 2019 17:44
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	Thanks everyone. It does seem as though the first Jane died and thanks Austin for finding that death. The age at death is right as she was baptised in April. It looks as though Hannah may have been pregnant when the first Jane died. If I remember correctly, Toxteth, West Derby and Stanley, Old Swan are not a million miles apart.
Member Since: September 2015 Posts: 5,278 Send Message	AustinQ	Report	4 Jan 2019 13:18
	Possible death of first child:- Liverpool, England, Church of England Burials: Name: Jane Ireland Age: 10 months Birth Year: abt 1835 Burial Date: 15 Nov 1835 abode: West Derby Burial Place: Stanley, St Anne, Lancashire, England (The Parish of St Anne Stanley, Old Swan)
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	alviegal	Report	4 Jan 2019 12:39
Member Since: July 2005 Posts: 12,339 Send Message	I had the same query with some people I was researching. We never did find a definite reason but it may be helpful to read my post. https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364312
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 26,349 Send Message	Gwyn in Kent	Report	4 Jan 2019 08:23
	I too wondered about the same family moving, but wondered why John Smith , the minister would not remember baptising the child previously? With a burial not found, it does seem as if it is the 2nd baptism of the same Jane.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	4 Jan 2019 03:55
	from ancestry. These records show the image of the Parish Register ......... and I was hoping that a note might have been made as to actual date of birth, private baptism (because of ill health), or such Liverpool, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Jane Treland [Jane Ireland] Baptism Date: 26 Apr 1835 Baptism Place: Toxteth, St James, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Toxteth, St James' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: Isaac Treland Mother: Hannah Treland from image:- Address:- Wright Street, Toxteth no other note Liverpool, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Jane Freland [Jane Ireland] Baptism Date: 31 Jul 1836 Baptism Place: Toxteth, St James, Lancashire, England Search Photos: Search for 'Toxteth, St James' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: Isaac Freland Mother: Hannah Freland no additional note to the entry found on lancs-opc Looking again at Lancs-opc, Jane was the only child that was baptised twice, and I can find no burial ............ Baptism: 16 Jun 1826 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England Ellen Ireland - Daughter of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Wright Street, Toxteth Park Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1820 - 1826 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 141, Entry 1132 Source: LDS Film 1468980 Baptism: 17 Feb 1828 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England John Ireland - Son of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Wright Street, Toxteth Park Occupation: Roper Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1835, Page 177, Entry 1413 Source: LDS Film 1468980 Baptism: 27 Sep 1829 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England Martha Ireland - Daughter of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Wright Street, Toxteth Park Occupation: Cordwainer Baptised by: J. Gladstone, Offg. Minister Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1835, Page 203, Entry 1629 Source: LDS Film 1468980 Baptism: 26 Jun 1831 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England William Ireland - Son of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Wright Street, Toxteth Park Occupation: Rope Maker Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1835, Page 236, Entry 1893 Source: LDS Film 1468980 Baptism: 21 Apr 1833 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England Rebecca Ireland - Daughter of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Wright Street, Toxteth Park Occupation: Rope Maker Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1835, Page 266, Entry 2129 Source: LDS Film 1468980 Baptism: 26 Apr 1835 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England Jane Ireland - Daughter of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Wright St. Toxteth Park Occupation: Roper Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1835, Page 291, Entry 2351 Source: LDS Film 1468980 Baptism: 31 Jul 1836 St James, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England Jane Ireland - Daughter of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Old Swan, West Derby Occupation: Roper Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1843 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 3, Entry 68 Source: LDS Film 1468981 Baptism: 25 Mar 1838 St James, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England Hannah Ireland - [Child] of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Old Swan Occupation: Rope Maker Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1843 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 11, Entry 259 Source: LDS Film 1468981 Baptism: 6 Sep 1840 St James, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England Wm. Ireland - Son of Isaac Ireland & Anna Abode: Old Swan, West Derby Occupation: Rope Maker Baptised by: H. B. Jones, Curate Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1843 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 63, Entry 501 Source: LDS Film 1468981 Looking at those images, there was a move from Wright Street, Toxteth Park to Old Swan, West Derby I wonder if there was some upset at that time and they forgot that Jane had been baptised and so had her done again?? There ARE other Isaac Irelands in the Liverpool area at that time, but only one with wife Hannah/Anna
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	4 Jan 2019 03:33
	From Lancs-opc Baptism: 26 Apr 1835 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England Jane Ireland - Daughter of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Wright St. Toxteth Park Occupation: Roper Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1835, Page 291, Entry 2351 Source: LDS Film 1468980 Baptism: 31 Jul 1836 St James, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England Jane Ireland - Daughter of Isaac Ireland & Hannah Abode: Old Swan, West Derby Occupation: Roper Baptised by: John Smith, Minister Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1843 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 3, Entry 68 Source: LDS Film 1468981 Addresses different, but both men are Ropers There seems to be only one Isaac Ireland showing up on Ancestry, in the 184=51 Census, and there is no Jane mentioned 1851 Census Name: Isaac Ireland Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Hannah Ireland Gender: Male Where born: Dungeon, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: West Derby Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 1w Household schedule number: 62 Piece: 2192 Folio: 687 Page Number: 16 Isaac Ireland 49 Rope Maker Hannah Ireland 48 John Ireland 22 Hannah Ireland 13 James Ireland 9 Mary Ireland 7 Elizabeth Ireland 5 Address: St Oswald Street Jane is on the 1841 Census ........ 1841 Census Name: Isaac Ireland Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Walton On The Hill Hundred: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby Piece: 520 Book: 9 Folio: 44 Page number: 6 Isaac Ireland 35 Roper Hannah Ireland 35 John Ireland 13 Rebecca Ireland 8 Jane Ireland 5 Hannah Ireland 3 Address:- Blackhorse Lane
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 26,349 Send Message	Gwyn in Kent	Report	4 Jan 2019 02:04
	Are they definitely the same set of parents? The second baptism has a parental address in West Derby. Have you found the family in 1841?
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	Yvonne	Report	4 Jan 2019 01:26
Member Since: March 2005 Posts: 902 Send Message	I have Jane Ireland with parents Isaac Ireland and Hannah Lloyd. There are two baptisms given for Jane - one on 26 Apr 1835 at St. James, Liverpool and one on 31 July 1836 at St. James, Liverpool. Both show parents as above. Is it possible the first Jane died but I can't find a death.

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