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Would like to thank all gor the help I have received
And yes it was my mistake on John's birth year, thanks for letting me know I do really appreciate all help

Malyon

You need to look at the birth year of John born Cumberland on that 1891 posted on page one

John Oliver
England and Wales Census, 1891

Name: John Oliver
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Cumberland
Parish: Workington
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST JOHNS
Registration District: Cockermouth
Residence Note: Darcy Street
Gender: Male
Age: 6
Occupation: Scholar
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1885
Birthplace: Cumberland, England
Page Number: 31
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 4305/ 19
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Samuel Oliver Head Male 32 Derbyshire, England
Ruth R Oliver Wife Female 32 Cumberland, England
Thomas W Oliver Son Male 10 Cumberland, England
Charles Oliver Son Male 8 Cumberland, England
John Oliver Son Male 6 Cumberland, England
Isabel Oliver Daughter Female 3 Cumberland, England

that john is born in cumberland the one in 1891 census says born in cumberland

Which John is that? Is he in the poster's family?

John Oliver
England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008

Name: John Oliver
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year: 1885
Registration District: Cockermouth
County: Cumberland
Event Place: Cockermouth, Cumberland, England
Volume: 10B
Page: 570
Affiliate Line Number: 261

Suggestion ONLY - probably too young

Name: John Oliver
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Alston, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Alston
Ecclesiastical parish: Alston
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Alston
Sub-registration district: Alston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 5197
Folio: 48
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Oliver 64 B. Allendale, Northumberland
Thomas Oliver 13
John Oliver 11

Name: Thomas Oliver
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: 1858
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Alston, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Alston
Ecclesiastical parish: Alston
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Alston
Sub-registration district: Alston
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Piece: 3897
Folio: 54
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Oliver 54
William Oliver 8
Jacob Oliver 5
Thomas Oliver 3

Name: Margaret Day
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Helton, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Haswell
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Easington
Sub-registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 11c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 156
Piece: 2392
Folio: 441
Page Number: 42
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas McNay 65
Mace McNay 65
Mathew McNay 21
Ralph McNay 13
Margaret Day 10

Name: Margaret Days
Age: 3 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Ovingham
Hundred: Tindale (East Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Hexham
Sub-registration district: Bywell
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 841
Book: 9
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
William Days 35
Mary Days 25
Margaret Days 3 Mo
Michael Atiss 45

Name: Ralph Chisholm
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 20
Birth Date: 1840
Marriage Date: 14 May 1860
Marriage Place: Shadforth, Durham, England
Father: John Chisholm
Spouse: Margaret Days
Age: 20
Father: William Days
FHL Film Number: 1894217
Reference ID: p229-457

Name: Mary Chisholm
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Ralph Chisholm
Mother: Mgt. Chisholm
Gender: Female
Where born: Haswell, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Haswell
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 18 6th Cross Row

Registration district: Easington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4965
Folio: 117
Page Number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Chisholm 38
Mgt. Chisholm 40
Wm. Chisholm 20
Ralph Chisholm 18
Mary Chisholm 16
Jane Chisholm 11
Rbt. Chisholm 9
Septimus Chisholm 7
Mgt. A. Chisholm 5
Jno. Chisholm

A tree on Ancestry has Mary Chisholm's father as Ralph - mother Margaret Days

John Oliver's mother is named as Mary Oliver, c1825. His father's name is not included

The marriage cert would be worth getting..................

Checking is essential

The John Oliver who married in 1886 wasn't born in 1825 - he was born c1858

The poster asked for help in going back - not forward

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1227489

Margaret Greaves probably Ria's grandmother?

Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
GREAVES Matilda Houghton 10a 919
WALKER Alexander Houghton 10a 919

Some of the closed records may be children from Ria's first marriage to Henry D. Barrass.

Marriages Mar 1935 (>99%)
Walker Ria Barrass Houghton 10a 768

Marriages Sep 1953 (>99%)
WALKER Ria OLIVER Durham N. 1a 1122

Ria in 1939 - with her parents?

Household (10 People)
18 Waller Terrace , Hetton U.D., Durham, England

Ria Oliver (Barrass)
DOB 25 May 1912
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 27
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 10

Alexander Walker
DOB 07 Sep 1890
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Incapacitated
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 27
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Matilda Walker
DOB 04 Mar 1894
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 27
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

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Margaret Greaves
DOB 16 Aug 1853
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Incapacitated
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 27
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 8

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Mabel Oliver on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Oliver Household (6 People) 26 Maple Terrace , Hetton U.D., Durham, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Mabel Oliver 07 Feb 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 173 2
Ralph Oliver 19 Nov 1887 Male Incapacitated Married 173 1
Harry Oliver 11 Oct 1879 Male Seeking Work Single 173 3
James Oliver 20 Sep 1904 Male Seeking Work Single 173 4
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Jean Scottan (Oliver) 28 Apr 1932 Female At School Single 173 6

THOMAS ELSTOB
Last name OLIVER
Gender Male
Birth day 8
Birth month 1
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1988
District Sunderland
Register number 1288
County Durham
Volume 2
Page 1675
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
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