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Clutching at straws with that ? remarriage - completely missed the 1911 death !!

The 1931 marriage is of John William's daughter, Phoebe, I think.


Marriages Mar 1902
JARVIS Deborah Leigh 8c 439
O'Neil John William Leigh 8c 439


O NEIL, PHOEBE mms JARVIS
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 277


Birth date per 1939 register already posted - 8th Nov 1906.


ADDED:
a Maggie Jarvis is a visitor to the O'Neills in 1911, already posted.

Presumably another child of John William:

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
O'NEIL John Jarvis Leigh 8c 486

Marriage of Phoebe & James's daughter Mary / Polly:


Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
Cheetham Henry Leigh 8c 444
O'NEIL Mary Leigh 8c 444



Mary Cheetham
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Cheetham
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Leigh, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 13 Dukinfield Street Leigh Lancashire
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Leigh
Registration District Number: 460
Sub-registration district: Culcheth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 23195
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Cheetham 28
Mary Cheetham 25
Winifred Cheetham 11/12



CHEETHAM, WINIFRED mms O NEIL
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 288

Another child, who died:

Birth:
CHEETHAM, ELEANOR mms O NEIL
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 283

Death:
CHEETHAM, ELEANOR 1
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 153


Mary's death:

Mary Cheetham
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Mary Cheetham
Death Age: 31
Birth Date: abt 1885
Registration Date: Dec 1916
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 258

Another child of Mary and Henry:

CHEETHAM, PHOEBE mms O'NEIL
GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in LEIGH Volume 08C Page 561


And probable death:

Phoebe Cheetham
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Phoebe Cheetham
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1915
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Leigh
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 377

Marriage of Winifred Cheetham:

Marriages Sep 1935 (>99%)
Cheetham Winifred Risley Leigh 8c 715
Risley George Cheetham Leigh 8c 715


Winifred Risley
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Winifred Risley
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 6 Apr 1910
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 67,Warrington Road
Residence Place: Leigh, Lancashire, England
Occupation: Unpaid domestic duties
Schedule Number: 30
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: NVRY
Registration district: 460-2
Inferred Spouse: George Risley
Household Members:
Name
George Risley
Winifred Risley

At the same address, but as a different household, are George Risley (1887) and Margaret Risley (1877), Winifred's in-laws.

Also an 8-yr-old child, George Elias Sednawi, a grandchild of George and Margaret. (Son of the Risleys' daughter Elsie Mary.)
I'm not posting all the records to prove that, as it's so far away from the original subject of this thread. (Unless you're interested, Carter ?! )

Looking at births, there were several other Sednawi/Risley children.
Their father died in 1937, and Elsie Mary remarried in 1956, to George Williamson, and died in Westminster in 1968.
On the 1939, young George Elias's surname has been changed to Grant, with the date 24/2/70.
I assume he changed it himself for some reason. He died in London in 1984 as George Elias Grant.
He was on various London ER's over the years, as Sednawi.

I don't know where to begin to thank you all. The reason I am looking at this couple is a long stretch but on my great grandfather marriage certificate the witnesses were James and phoebe o'neill. My gr grandfather was Patrick o'neill c 1850 Galway Ireland. Father Patrick and his occupation was farmer. Same as on James o'neill marriage
Just trying to find out about the oneills
Thank you so much you are all wonderful and I very much appreciate ypur help

Sounds as if James might have been Patrick's brother ??

Where and when was Patrick's marriage? After 1879, obviously.

Could this be him ? - though no help re parents:

Patrick Oneill
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Patrick Oneill
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Gender: Male
Where born: Tuam, Ireland
[Tuam, Galway, Ireland]
Civil Parish: Fulwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Fulwood
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: Broughton
ED, institution, or vessel: Fulwood Barracks
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 4218
Folio: 115
Page Number: 31

Not sure if that's him as never found him on 1871.
Patrick married in 1872 to Margaret Carney.
That's the first sighting of Patrick

Thanks
Linda

for our reference re location:

Margaret Carney
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Margaret Carney
Registration Year: 1872
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Bolton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 413
Records on Page:
Name
Patrick O'Neil
Margaret Carney

Spot on. <3

Patrick O'Neill and his family lived in Trafalgar St Leigh Lancashire which was just a few streets away from Duckinfield St Leigh were James and Phoebe Lived

When you look at the image of the 1911 census for Patrick and family, it says he was born in Kilbannon, Co Galway.

From a Google search, Kilbannon / Kilbannen is in the Archdiocese of Tuam - so I suggest the 1871 census record I posted is the correct one.


1911 for reference:

Patrick O Neill
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Patrick O Neill
Age in 1911: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Galway, Ireland [Kilbannon, Co Galway on image ]
Civil Parish: Leigh
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 120 Trafalgar St Leigh Lanc
Marital Status: Widowed
Registration district: Leigh
Registration District Number: 460
Sub-registration district: Culcheth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 23192
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick O Neill 62
Mary O Neill 37
Catherine O Neill 31
Bridget O Neill 22

If the 1871 census is the right one how do I go about finding information on Patrick ONeill as a soldier at Fullwood Barracks

Thanks once again for your help

ps the 1911 census is correct

Re Kilbannon, there are some O'Neills buried in Kilbannon Cemetery (per Findagrave website) who might perhaps be siblings or other relatives :


John O'Neill
Birth 1852
Death Apr 1943 (aged 90–91)
Burial
Kilbannon Cemetery
Tuam, County Galway, Ireland
Memorial ID 125213758 · View Source


Bridget O'Neill
Birth 1863
Death May 1947 (aged 83–84)
Burial
Kilbannon Cemetery
Tuam, County Galway, Ireland
Memorial ID 125213716 · View Source


Bridget O'Neill
Birth 1814
Death Dec 1889 (aged 74–75)
Burial
Kilbannon Cemetery
Tuam, County Galway, Ireland
Memorial ID 125213732 · View Source

Delia O'Neill
Birth 1893
Death May 1953 (aged 59–60)
Burial
Kilbannon Cemetery
Tuam, County Galway, Ireland
Memorial ID 125213746 · View Source


Julia O'Neill
Birth 1895
Death Jun 1970 (aged 74–75)
Burial
Kilbannon Cemetery
Tuam, County Galway, Ireland
Memorial ID 125213807 · View Source


Under all of those burial records it says Knocknagur.
Knocknagur appears to be a particular estate/ Perhaps the O'Neill family worked there ?:

https://tinyurl.com/ydalvzco

It looks like you maybe already knew about Kilbannon?

Is this your thread from 2011 ?

ttps://tinyurl.com/ybzg64cu


O'Neill family from Kilbannon Galway
cartershome (View posts)
Posted: 11 Feb 2011 01:34PM
Classification: Query
hi
after years of trying to find out where my great grandfather was born i have succeeded with a little help from the 1911 census.
his name was Patrick O'Neill born c1849 in Kilbannon Co Galway.
On his marriage cert in 1872 (first sighting of him in england) he gives his fathers name as patrick o'neill and his fathers occupation as Farmer.
Do you think there is a chance i might now be able to find his birth or family now that i have his place of birth
my great grandfather lived in leigh lancashire and died there in 1915. very little is known about him .this is the info off his marriage certificate

On PatrickO'Neill and Margaret Carney's marriage certificate it states that Margaret was living at Dootson square in Farnworth on enquiring at the Bolton archives in Bolton library i was told that the address was Albert road off Dootson square Farnworth
Margaret was 18 years old when she married Patrick (making her dob 1854)
Patrick was 22 years old and a collier(making his dob 1850 )
the minister who married them was John Galbois Boulage
witness were James O'Neill and Sarah L**** ( cant make it out )
Patrick's address was Haydock Ashton Le Willows Lancashire
his father was Patrick O'Neill occupation a farmer
Margaret's father was John Carney occupation was labourer
any help or advice would be much appreciated
thanks linda

And this from 2009:


Kilbannon or kilbarron help please
« on: Tuesday 20 January 09 00:00 GMT (UK) »
hi after years of trying to find out where my great grandfather was born i have succeeded with a little help from the 1911 census.
his name was Patrick O'Neill born c1849 in Kilbannon Co Galway.
On his marriage cert in 1872 (first sighting of him in england) he gives his fathers name as patrick o'neill and his fathers occupation as Farmer.
Do youthink there is a chance i might now be able to find his birth or family now that i have his place of birth
any help or advice would be much appreciated
thanks linda

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=354640.0


However, following the advice given in that thread, there doesn't seem to be any O'Neill or Neill in Kilbannon in 1901 or 1911 census, as far as I can see.

EDIT:

Re Pollacorragune , which you mention in that thread, there's this family in 1911 and 1901, but whether or not they're any relation to your O'Neills, I can't say:

Thomas Oneill
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: Thomas Oneill
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Pollacorragune
District: Belclare
County: Galway
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Oneill 50 - farmer
Bridget Oneill 47
Mary Oneill 14
John Oneill 13
Michael Oneill 12
Bernard Oneill 11
Thomas Oneill 9
Patrick Oneill 6
Martin Oneill 4


Thomas O'Neill
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Thomas O'Neill
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Head
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Pollacorragune
District: Belclare
County: Galway
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas O'Neill 40 - farmer
Bridget O'Neill 36
Mary O'Neill 3
John O'Neill 2
Michael O'Neill 1
Bernard O'Neill

ArgyllGran

that was my thread and 9 years on I am no nearer to finding anything about them
I leave it and keep coming back to them but don't know where else to turn

thanks for all your help

Re Fulwood Barracks -
Have you tried contacting the Lancashire Infantry Museum, now housed at Fulwood Barracks ?

http://www.lancashireinfantrymuseum.org.uk/visitor-information/contact-information/

I imagine they could tell you which regiments were stationed there in 1871, or indeed, which regiment Patrick belonged to. He was a Private, as you'll know from the census.

sorry for delay in replying. I have sent off for an appointment to go . I had emailed them but they had no joy and said it was better to go in person
thank you