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Thank you so much. I will keep looking to Ireland now as what haas been provided has firmed up what I need to chase up now.

Appreciate all your help.

Kevin

William Ford
Death Age: 36
Birth Date: abt 1914
Registration Date: Mar 1950
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 8

View 1939 England and Wales Register

Name: William F Ford
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1914
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 70
Residence Place: Watford, Hertfordshire, England
Occupation: Elec Wireman Supply Coy
Schedule Number: 120
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DFSJ
Registration district: 140 (1)
Inferred Spouse: Gladys E Ford
Household Members:
Name
William F Ford
Gladys E Ford born 14.10.1917


So back to the Hendon district

Marriages Dec 1938
Ford William F Holliday Hendon 3a 1273
Holliday Gladys E Ford Hendon 3a 1273

Looks like the family were in touch as they are consistently in the same area

From CWGC site

Able Seaman
FORD, WILLIAM FRANK

Service Number 212470

Died 01/11/1914

H.M.S. "Good Hope."
Royal Navy

Commemorated at PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL



Notes from and ancestry tree
William Frank Ford, son of Henry G and Elizabeth Ford, of Southampton; husband of Violet B Ford, of 27 Lowcay Rd, Southsea, Portsmouth. Native of Scholing, Southampton. Able Seaman Royal Navy (212470).Killed, aged abt 29, after HMS Good Hope was sunk with all hands off the Chilean coast 01/11/1914. Commemorated on Portsmouth Naval Memorial. Sources: CWGC Casualty Details and RN and RM War Graves Roll.

He was in the navy in 1911

William F Ford
[William Frank Ford]
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Southampton, Sholing
Civil Parish: Portsmouth
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County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Occupation: Seaman
Registration district: Portsmouth
Registration District Number: 90
Sub-registration district: Portsea and Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Piece: 5592
Household Members:
Name Age

Violet B Hawkes
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Billericay
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 1222a
Records on Page:
Name
William F Ford
Violet B Hawkes


He was also navy


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Name: William F Ford
Gender: Male
Rank: A.B
Marriage Date: 25 Sep 1911
Death Date: 1 Nov 1914
Ship: Good Hope
Title: Naval Pension Ledgers
Description: Naval Pensions Ledger 1951-2200
Next of Kin:
Name Relation to Soldier
William F Ford
Violet B Watters Spouse
William F Ford Child

Births Sep 1914
Ford William F Hawkes Portsmouth 2b 988

Actual birth date

William F Ford
Birth Date: 28 Aug 1914
Relation to Soldier: Child
Title: Naval Pension Ledgers
Description: Naval Pensions Ledger 1951-2200

Death: Joseph Henry Watters
Date: 30th December 1889
Age: 2
Place: 16 Penrith Street, Belfast
Child of James Watters (engine driver)
Cause: Measles 10 days, Whooping cough, Pneumonia 11days
Informant: Martha Watters, mother, present at death, 16 Penrith Street
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Birth:

Andrew Watters
Date: 2nd June 1883
Place: 23 Lough View Street, Belfast
Father: James Watters (Fireman)
Mother: Martha Watters (formerly Mitchell)
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Marriage:

31st May 1877 Shankhill, Antrim

James Waters ( full age, bachelor, Sailor)
Address: 20 Glentill Street, Belfast
Father: William Waters (fireman)

Martha Mitchell (full age, spinster)
Address: 49 Conlon Street, Belfast
Father: William Mitchell (carpenter)

Witnesses: James Crozier & Esther Crozier

(Esther Crozier was formerly Mitchell- she was sister to Martha. Esther married James Crozier in 1876 Shankhill)
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Death for James Watters father:

Death:
Date: 7th August 1897
William Watters (married, fireman)
Age: 62
Place: 20 Glentilt St, Belfast
Cause: Senile decay, cardiac failure
Informant: William Watters (son, in attendance, 20 Glenallen St)
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Death for James Watters mother

Death:
Date: 21 March 1899
Margaret Watters (widow of William Watters- deceased)
Age: 69
Place: 18 Glenallen Street, Belfast
Cause: Pneumonia 4 days
Informant: William Watters (son, present at death)
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William and Margaret both buried at Belfast City Cemetery: Grave section and number B1 257

Wow. Thank you for all that effort. I do have a bit of that info, but this has filled some gaps. I have a lot of the English bits, but Ireland tends to still be more difficult. Will investigate all you have sent me and I will need a day or so to check this with what I have.

I very much appreciate your efforts in regard to my question/s.

Kind Regards,

Kevin

Elsie Rae Watters
in the Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Elsie Rae Watters
Gender: Female
Electoral Year: 1972
Subdistrict: Bundoora
State: Victoria
District: diamond valley
Country: Australia

With Lawrence Edwin
Address 24 Lee Anne Crescent

Both stil, around in 1981 but now in Auckland New Zealand
Laurence is listed as Lawrence Edward. He is a caretaker

From Scotlands People website

LAURENCE EDWIN
DAVIDSON
ELSIE RAE
1945
644/11 522
Possilpark
Order Certificate
WATTERS
LAURENCE EDWIN

You have to order the cert through the site. Costs £12 approx

Daughter
WATTERS
PATRICIA RAE
F
1947
644/9 685
Kelvingrove
Order Certificate

Lawrence Edwin Watters

Birth: 17 May 1920 - Chelmsford, Essex, England
Death: About 1991 - Redcliffe, Queensland, Australia
Spouse: Elsie Rae Davidson


Laurence E Watters
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: abt 1921
Departure Date: 15 Apr 1949
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination Port: Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name: Chitral
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Shipping line: P and O
Official Number: 148861
Master: D Hockly
With an Elsie R Watters aged 29 and Patricia R aged 1
Home address 93 Auckland Street Glasgow

His occ sawmill operative

Contact address in Australia. C/o Winter 30 Jurang street .Balwyn, Melbourne

So he was possibly still in the navy

Marriages Mar 1917
Ford Violet B Watters Portsmouth 2b 925
Watters Andrew Ford. Portsmouth 2b 925

Possible children

Births Jun 1920
Watters Laurence E Hawkes Chelmsford 4a 1429

Births Mar 1922
Watters Olive Hawkes Tendring 4a 1443
Sadly

Olive Watters
Death Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1922
Registration Date: Mar 1922
Registration district: Tendring
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 1111

Births Jun 1923
Watters Raymond T Hawkes Tendring 4a 1401


Name: Mr Raymond Terence Watters
Gender: Male
Age: 88
Birth Date: 1924
Death Date: 30 Mar 2012
Last Residence: Grantham, Lincolnshire, England
Postal Code District: Ng31


Births Jun 1925
Watters Douglas C Hawkes Hendon 3a 544


Name: Douglas Colin Watters
Birth Date: 1925
Death Date: 1990
Cemetery: Point Clare Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Point Clare, Central Coast Council, New South Wales, Australia
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...


Births Sep 1927
Watters Gladys J Hawkes Hendo 3a 544

A daughter in the USA

Gladys June Miehl
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 No Image
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Name: Gladys June Miehl
[Gladys J Miehl]
[Gladys June Watters]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 14 Jun 1927
Birth Place: Wembley Midd, United Kingdom
Death Date: 28 Mar 2000
Father: Andrew Watters
Mother: Violet B Hawkes
SSN: 389288781
Notes: Apr 1948: Name listed as GLADYS JUNE MIEHL; 04 Apr 2000: Name listed as GLADYS J MIEHL



Name: G. M. Miehl
Birth Date: 14 Jun 1927
Death Date: 28 May 2000
Cemetery: Catholic Cemetery of La Crosse
Burial or Cremation Place: La Crosse, La Crosse County, Wisconsin, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Buried with George M Miehl born 20.8.1917


View England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name: Gladys J Watters
Registration Date: 1927
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Greater London
Re-registration Year: 1927
Mother's Maiden Name: Hawkes
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 519

On her own

View London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
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Name: Violet Beatrice Watters
Gender: Female
Year: 1937
County or Borough: Harrow
Ward or Division/Constituency: Willesden Church
Street address: 27 Napier road

Andrew Watters
Death Age: 44
Birth Date: abt 1883
Registration Date: Dec 1927
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 348


Violet B Watters
Death Age: 50
Birth Date: abt 1888
Registration Date: Sep 1938
Registration district: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 388

Name: Andrew Watters
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1883
Registration district: Belfast
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 1
Page: 394
FHL Film Number: 101059
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Possible. James has simliar occ

Census Years1911AntrimCourt WardBristol StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 7 in Bristol Street (Court Ward, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Watters James 56 Male Head of Family Christian Co Antrim Fireman in Linen Factory Read and write English Married - 33 8 7
Watters Martha 58 Female Wife Christian Co Antrim - Read English Married - 33 8 7
Watters Robert 21 Male Son No Profesion Co Antrim Drillers Read and write English Single - - - -
Watters G Henery 19 Male Son No Profesion Co Antrim Case Operator Read and write English Single - - - -
Darcy Emily 21 Female Boarder Christain Co Cavan Patent Turner Read and write English Single - - - -
Darcy Isabella 29 Female Boarder Christian Co Cavan Stitcher Read and write English Single - - - -

This looks a possibility
1901 census
Residents of a house 13 in Tudor Place (Shankhill, Antrim)
Show all information
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Watters James 44 Male Head of Family Congregational Belfast Stoker L Factory Read and write English Married -
Watters George 9 Male Son Congregational Belfast Schoolar Read write English Not Married -
Watters William 23 Male Son Congregational Belfast Painters Read write English Not Married -
Watters James 21 Male Son Congregational Belfast Packing Case maker Read write English Not Married -
Watters Thomas 19 Male Son Congregational Belfast Linen Tenter Read write English Not Married -
Watters Robert 11 Male Son Congregational Belfast Schoolar Read write English Not Married -
Watters Martha 46 Female Wife Congregational Ballamant - Read only English Married -

Have you found them on the 1901 and 1911 Irish census
It is online

Try the Family Search site too

When was Joseph born


Do you have james occupation

I have come to a standstill researching the Watters line. I have an Andrew born 1883 who went to England and joined the Royal Navy. By 1901 Census he was on board at ship in a far off Port. He married Violet Beatrice Ford (nee Hawke).
His Father was (I believe) James Watters born c1855 and died 1939 and he is buried in Belfast City Cemetery. He married Martha Mitchell in the Independant Church, Donegall Street (Congregational Church) Shankill, Antrim. She was born in 1853 and died in 1933. She is buried in the same plot in the Belfast City Cemetery. Also in that grave is their 2 year old son Joseph Henry.

That is the end of the info I can get.

Hope someone might have some info.
Regards.
Kevin Perry (Australia)