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Thank you all for the information you have provided provided. I will go through it thoroughly later.


Many thanks

Patrick

Another child, who doesn't appear in 1871 (unless the enumerator got her YOB badly wrong)

:DRIVER, HARRIET mms WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 757

EDIT:

this could be her in 1881, with the Boraston family:


Harriett Driver
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Harriett Driver
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 163 Hockley Hill
Occupation: General Serv
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 2991
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28


Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%)
Driver Harriet W. Bromwich 6b 995
NANGREAVE James W. Bromwich 6b 995



Harriet Nangreave
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Harriet Nangreave
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Nangreave
Birth Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Piece: 2699
Folio: 157
Page Number: 31
Household schedule number: 208
Household Members:
Name Age
James Nangreave 50
Harriet Nangreave 38
James Nangreave 17
Frank Nangreave 13
Elsie Nangreave 7
Kate J Nangreave 4
Alice E Nangreave 2


NANGREAVE, ALICE ELIZABETH mms DRIVER
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 744

NANGREAVE, JANE KATE mms DRIVER
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 786




Harriet Nangreave
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Harriet Nangreave
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire
Civil Parish: Walsall
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 20 Portland Street, Walsall, Staffs
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration district: Walsall
Registration District Number: 370
Sub-registration district: Aldridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 17199
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriet Nangreave 48
Frank Nangreave 23
Elsie Mary Nangreave 16
Jane Kate Nangreave 14
Alice Elizabeth Nangreave 11
Herbert Nangreave 9
Ellen Nangreave 5


Harriet Nangreave
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Harriet Nangreave
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: abt 1863
Registration Date: Jun 1928
Registration district: Walsall
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 697


Frank Nangreave
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Frank Nangreave
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1887
Birth Place: St Peters, Staffordshire, England
Age: 27
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 13384
Regiment Name: Princess Victoria's (Royal Irish Fusiliers)
Form Title: Army Reserve (Special Reservists) Attestation
Number of Images: 16
Name Relation to Soldier
Frank Nangreave Self (Head)
Harriet Nangrean Mother <<<<<<<<<<<<

Johns death:

John Driver
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: John Driver
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Registration Year: 1899
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: West Bromwich
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 503

Births of more of the children in 1871 census which I posted above:

DRIVER, JOHN mms WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICHE Volume 06B Page 603

DRIVER, MARY ANN mms WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 621

DRIVER, SARAH ANN mms WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 683


On 1881 census:

DRIVER, KATE mms WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 764

Is she maybe Martha Harriet on 1871 census ??

EDIT:

On closer inspection of 1871, the word "Martha" has been scored out, I think.

This would appear to fit for 1841 (for the family I've posted other censuses and a couple of births for above) :


Mary Wardle
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Mary Wardle
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England
[Whitwick, Swannington, Leicestershire, England]
Civil Parish: Thorpacre
Hundred: West Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Loughborough
Sub-registration district: Loughborough
Neighbors:
Piece: 596
Book: 11
Folio: 3
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Taylor 25
Ann Taylor 35
John Taylor 8
Elizabeth Taylor 6
William Taylor 4
Louisa Taylor 1
Mary Wardle 10

This looks like John Wardle's baptism:-

First name(s) John
Last name Wardle
Birth year -
Baptism year 1796
Baptism date 08 May 1796
Baptism place Worthington
Denomination Anglican
County Leicestershire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Event type Bishop's Transcripts
Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland
Record set Leicestershire Baptisms

Kath. x

This looks like Mary's parents marriage:-

First name(s) John
Last name Wardle
Residence Worthington
Banns year 1816
Marriage year 1816
Marriage date 14 Oct 1816
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Smith
Spouse's residence Whitwick
Denomination Anglican
Place Worthington
County Leicestershire
Country England
Event Type Parish Registers
Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland

The mother's maiden name on the birth record of the youngest child on the 1841 census is given as Smith.

Kath. x

The family I've been posting census for seems to be the right one.

Births of sons Francis and Jacob, for instance:

DRIVER, JACOB WILLIAM mms WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 702

DRIVER, FRANCIS mms WARDLE
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 716

This appears to be her family in 1851 with Father b Worthington and siblings born Whittick, Leicestershire including the brother immediately Mary's elder. Mother Jane b Middx

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hargate Lane, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Wardle Head Married Male 59 1792 Coal Miner Worthington, Leicestershire, England
Jane Wardle Wife Married Female 53 1798 - Chelsea, Middlesex, England
John Wardle Son Unmarried Male 26 1825 Coal Miner Leicestershire, England
Jacob Wardle Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Boat Steerer Leicestershire, England
Philomena Wardle Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Leicestershire, England
James Wardle Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Staffordshire, England
William Wardle Son - Male 5 1846 - Staffordshire, England

If the 1841 posted is the correct family, it would suggest that only the child James was born in Staffordshire, the remainder of the family show as Not born in County. Depending at what age they moved to Staffs, Mary may have thought that was where she was born

Dartmouth Street, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Wardle Male 45 1796 -
Jane Wardle Female 40 1801 -
Francis Wardle Male 18 1823 -
John Wardle Male 16 1825 -
Mary Wardle Female 14 1827 -
Ann Wardle Female 12 1829 -
Jacob Wardle Male 7 1834 -
Philomena Wardle Female 3 1838 -
James Wardle Female 0 1841 Staffordshire, England

???

Mary Wardle
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Mary Wardle
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 2 Aug 1829
Baptism Place: Whitwick,Leicester,England
Father: John Wardle
Mother: Mary
FHL Film Number: 596077

Mary Driver
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Mary Driver
[Mary Wardle]
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: John Driver
Gender: Female
Where born: Swanenton, Leicestershire, England
[Whitwick, Swannington, Leicestershire, England]
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 17 All Saints St
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub registration district: West Bromwich North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors:
Piece: 2850
Folio: 110
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Driver 55
Mary Driver 55
Frank Driver 13
Kate Driver 10


Mary Driver
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Mary Driver
[Mary Wardle]
Gender: Female
Age: 67
Relationship: Wife
Birth Year: 1824
Spouse: John Driver
Child: Francis Driver
Kate Driver
Birth Place: Swanington, Leicestershire, England
[Swannington, Leicestershire, England]
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Residence Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Sub registration district: Bakewell
ED, Institution or Vessel: 17
Neighbors:
Piece: 2273
Folio: 78
Household Members:
Name Age
John Driver 67
Mary Driver 67
Francis Driver 23
Kate Driver 20

Mistranscribed again in 1851:

Mary Deaven
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Mary Deaven
[Mary Driver]
[Mary Wardle]
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Deaven
Gender: Female
Where born: Whittick, Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North
ED, institution, or vessel: 1z
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 88
Piece: 2026
Folio: 515
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
John Deaven 23
Mary Deaven 25
Hannah Deaven 7
Jane Deaven 5
Elizabeth Deaven 1

Surname mistranscribed in 1861:

Mary Irvin
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Irvin
[Mary Wardle]
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Irvin
Gender: Female
Where born: Serllinington, Leicestershire, England
[Swannington, Leicestershire, England]
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 2030
Folio: 27
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
John Irvin 36
Mary Irvin 37
Hannah Irvin 17
Jane Irvin 15
Elizabeth Irvin 12
John Irvin 6
Mary Ann Irvin 4
Jacob Davin 1

This looks like her in the 1841 census with parents and siblings:-

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dartmouth Street, West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Mary Wardle's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place

John Wardle Male 45 1796 - (coal miner)
Jane Wardle Female 40 1801 -
Francis Wardle Male 18 1823 -
John Wardle Male 16 1825 -
Mary Wardle Female 14 1827 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ann Wardle Female 12 1829 -
Jacob Wardle Male 7 1834 -
Philomena Wardle Female 3 1838 -
James Wardle Female 0 1841 Staffordshire, England

Mary was NOT born in Staffordshire according to the census image.

Strange as there is a John Driver and family living either next door or in the same building but in a different household - HOWEVER, the head of household is John but he is too old to be the one that married Mary, but his son who is also John, is too young to be Mary's husband?? Perhaps another relative of theirs???

Kath. x

Mary Driver
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Driver
[Mary Wardle]
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Driver
Gender: Female
Where born: West Bromwich
[Whitwick, Swannington, Leicestershire, England]
Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 2985
Folio: 54
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Driver 46
Mary Driver 41
John Driver 16
Mary Driver 14
Jacob Driver 11
Sarah A Driver 6
Francis Driver 4
Martha Harriett [Driver ] 1

All the children born in W Bromwich.

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original docucument there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Staffordshire
Place West Bromwich
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 38
Marriage date 28 Jan 1850
Groom forename John
Groom surname DRIVER
Groom age 22
Groom occupation Miner
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname WARDLE
Bride age 22
Groom father forename Henry
Groom father surname DRIVER
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename John
Bride father surname WARDLE
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness1 forename James
Witness1 surname CASHMORE
Witness2 forename William
Witness2 surname BARTON
Notes Groom signs "X"
Transcribed by Jean Langdell
Credit Jean Langdell
File line number 40
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Looking for ancesters and children of Mary Wardle born 1826 in West Bromwich. She married John Driver.

Patrick.