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If you look at Dea's comment in this thread you will see that she decided to post to the other thread and that's why everything is on that one.

Thanks for checking though.

Name: John Naylor
Birth Date: 1843
Death Date: 17 Jun 1875
Cemetery: Christ Church Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Eccleston, Metropolitan Borough of St Helens, Merseyside, England
Has Bio?: Y
Father: Hugh Naylor
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Name: Hugh Naylor
Birth Date: 1809
Death Date: 17 Nov 1877
Cemetery: Christ Church Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Eccleston, Metropolitan Borough of St Helens, Merseyside, England
Has Bio?: Y
Children: John Naylor
James Naylor
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem.

Name: James Naylor
Birth Date: 1840
Death Date: 11 Aug 1889
Cemetery: Christ Church Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Eccleston, Metropolitan Borough of St Helens, Merseyside, England
Has Bio?: Y
Father: Hugh Naylor
Spouse: Jane Naylor
Children: John Naylor
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

all in same grave

Hi Yvonne,

I have been looking at this all morning and I cannot yet connect your Joseph to Hugh and I am not yet certain that the John who died was indeed Hugh's son. However, I have found a link between Joseph's and Hugh's family later on which you might like to explore?

I am in a quandary about where to post all the info as there is another thread on Joseph's family where there is a definite link for the info so I am going to put it all on there and perhaps this one should remain purely for info on the John who died.

You can be forgiven for having 2 threads as when this one started it was NOT really relating to a member of the other family but now they are in danger of becoming entwined so here is a link to the 1st thread for reference :

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1374354

I will post further info on there until we can find for certain the family of the John who died. - I can say with certainty that it was not the Joseph on the other thread.

Dea x

Hi Yvonne,

I have been looking at this all morning and I cannot yet connect your Joseph to Hugh and I am not yet certain that the John who died was indeed Hugh's son. However, I have found a link between Joseph's and Hugh's family later on which you might like to explore?

I am in a quandary about where to post all the info as there is another thread on Joseph's family where there is a definite link for the info so I am going to put it all on there and perhaps this one should remain purely for info on the John who died.

You can be forgiven for having 2 threads as when this one started it was NOT really relating to a member of the other family but now they are in danger of becoming entwined so here is a link to the 1st thread for reference :

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1374354

I will post further info on there until we can find for certain the family of the John who died. - I can say with certainty that it was not the Joseph on the other thread.

Dea x

Marriage: 27 Sep 1836 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
Hugh Naylor - Husbandman, Bachelor, Of this Parish
Jane Martindale - (X), Spinster, Of this Parish
Witness: John Woodward; Mary Barnes, (X)
Married by Banns by: William Ellam Minister
Register: Marriages 1831 - 1837, Page 96, Entry 287
Source: LDS Film 1657567

Name: Jane Naylor
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Prescot
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 507

1881
Name: Jane Naylor
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Sutton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Eccleston in Prescot
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 31 Tunstalls Row
Marital Status: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Housekeeper
Registration district: Prescot
Sub registration district: Prescot
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 3730
Folio: 15
Page Number: 25

1851
Jane Haylor
[Jane Naylor]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Hugh Haylor
Gender: Female
Where born: Sutton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Eccleston
Ecclesiastical parish: Eccleston
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Farnworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 86
Piece: 2194
Folio: 491
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Haylor 38
Jane Haylor 39
James Haylor 10
John Haylor 8
Peter Platt 27
William Platt 22

FMP has a fuller transcript for the 1811 baptism posted above

Hugh
Last name Nailor
Birth year 1811
Birth date 24 Feb 1811
Residence Sutton
Denomination Church Of England
Baptism year 1811
Baptism date 24 Mar 1811
Baptism place St Helens
Diocese Blackburn
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Labourer
Archive Lancashire Record Office
Archive reference PR 2923/1/2

Name: Hugh Nailor
Christening Date: 24 Mar 1811
Christening Date (Original): 24 MAR 1811
Christening Place: SAINT HELENS,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 24 Feb 1811
Father's Name: John Nailor
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C03666-2
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 942.72 K29PR

Rose

Name: Hugh Naylor
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Event Place: Prescot, Lancashire, England
Residence Note: Thatto Heath
Gender: Male
Age: 30-34
Age: 30
Birth Year (Estimated): 1807-1811
Birthplace: Lancashire
Schedule Type:
Registration District: Prescot
Book Number: 5
Parish: Prescot
County: Lancashire
Page Number: 7
Line Number: 16
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 516/22
Affiliate Record Type: Institution
GS Film Number:
Digital Folder Number: 101720485
Image Number: 00096


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Hugh Naylor M 30-34 Lancashire
Jane Naylor F 30-34 Lancashire
James Naylor M 0 Lancashire


Rose

I originally thought he was the son of my Joseph Naylor and Anne Cole but it isn't correct. I found some old notes that I have and the John Naylor who had the accident was the son of Hugh Naylor. The note I have is a grave inscription, which says Hugh died in 1877, age 68, making him born about 1809. The John who had the accident is in the same grave, but there is no wife for Hugh. I'm wondering if Hugh could be a sibling of my Joseph who was born in 1819. The grave is in St. Helens at Christ Church, Eccleston.

I'm having trouble finding Hugh - the only one I can find was born in 1811 with father shown as Mark Naylor. Father of my Joseph was John.

Any suggestions??

Thanks safc, that's definitely him. What an awful way to die.
I wonder if that word on the certificate could be venting shaft. I guess it doesn't matter now since you've very kindly found the story.
Thanks again.

yesterday morning about 7-00 a collier named john naylor
met with his death at thatto heath uder the following circumstances
the deceased and another man had been engaged about a fortnight
in sinking the shaft of a colliery at thatto heath for mr j cross.
at the time stated above he went down to resume work,
but no sooner had he reached bottom than he shouted to the men above to draw him up again, this they proceeded to do but when he got about 5 yards from the top
he evidently became insensible and fell out of the hoppat, to the bottom of the shaft.
a distance of 25 yards
by lowering a light the air was found to so foul that about an hour was spent in restoring the ventilation before the body could be got at and sent up.
when it was conveyed to his mothers residence close by.
the deceased was 32 and unmarried

hi
Yvonne
????
is this him

FATAL COLLIERY ACCIDENT AT THATTO HEATH.
Yesterday morning, about seven o'clock, a collier named John Naylor met with his death m a new coal shaft at Thatto Heath, under the followin" circumstances:—The deceased and another man have been engaged about
18 June 1875 - Manchester Evening News - Manchester, Lancashire, England

I'm in need of some educated guesses!
I have a death certificate for John Naylor (born about 1842/43). He apparently died 17 June 1875 in a work related accident. I'm trying to read the cause of death -

Falling from hopper in -en-ing shaft. Struck by foul air at bottom. Instant death.

His occupation was shown as coal miner and what looks like tinker.

Any guesses as to what kind of shaft it was?

Thanks.