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ALLAN THOMAS BANNERMAN
b. Walker, Newcastle 1855, ed. Doual, Ushaw, O. 1882, c. S. Joseph, Liverpool to
1885, c. S. James, Bootle to 1887, r. S. Mary, Ulverston to 1907 (new ch. built 1895),
r. S. Peter, Woolston to 1909, r. S. Richard, Atherton to retirement to Waterloo,
Liverpool 1923, d. 23 June 1934.
UpH.: S. Edw. ms.; LCD 1935.

Yes, you may well know it all, but what you gave us to work on was minimal and didn't include any birth date or parental info for Percival. Or even any proof that he was related to your grandmother

We can't work without something to start from........................

I was trying to find something to identify the man!!!

Have you done anything about looking for him yourself?

Thank you all for this information.Ia amazed at the replies I have had so soon but I was only requesting information on Percyval Allan as I already have all the other name in my family tree

Connected thread, for info

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1374231

No further forward with Percival.

Waiting for some feedback before doing any more

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Name: Mary Forrest M Bell
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 8 May 1922
Registration Date: Nov 2002
Registration district: Stockton
Inferred County: Durham
Register Number: A12
District and Subdistrict: 3501A


Name: Alexander Alan K Bell
Death Age: 58
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1919
Registration Date: Dec 1977
Registration district: Cleveland
Inferred County: Cleveland
Volume: 3
Page: 2567

Speculating..........................................

Marriage to a Widow/Divorcee?

ALLAN
PERCIVAL CLARK
DOBSON
MARY HELEN
1933
644/10 2035
Blythswood
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ALLAN
PERCIVAL CLARK
SHAW
MARY HELEN
1933
644/10 2035
Blythswood

So..........perhaps we can get somewhere

Births

BELL
ALEXANDER ALLAN
M
1919
644/21 225
Govan


MANN
MARY FORREST
F
1922
644/21 760
Govan

From Frederick's other thread................one firm fact emerges

His parents

MANN
MARY FORREST
BELL
ALEXANDER ALLAN
1940
644/18 143
Pollok

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Marriages Dec 1883 (>99%)
Allan Harriet Tynemouth 10b 425
KENNY George Tynemouth 10b 425


First name(s) George
Last name Kenny
Birth year -
Admission year 1890
Age 32
Trade Boilermakers & Iron Shipbuilders
Union name United Society Of Boilermakers & Iron Shipbuilders
Union branch South Hylton
Union branch as transcribed South Hylton
County Durham
Country England
Archive Modern Records Centre
Archive reference MSS.192/BM/2/2/6
Title Registration Book
Dates 1882-1889

Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%)
ALLAN John Ellis Barnsley 9c 229
Pryor Agnes Barnsley 9c 229

ALLAN, THOMAS BANNERMAN PRYOR
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in MIDDLESBROUGH Volume 09D Page 504

1911
John Ellis Allan Head Married Male 49 1862 Walker on Tyne Northants Joiner Transcription
Agnes Allan Wife Married Female 47 1864 Barnsley Yorks - Transcription
William Carrington Allan Son Single Male 24 1887 Walker on Tyne Northants Shop Assistant Transcription
Thomas Bannerman Allan Son Single Male 23 1888 Middlesbro Yorks Electrical Engineer Transcription
Alexander Gordon Allan Son Single Male 21 1890 Middlesbro Fitter

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BELL, GEORGE THOMAS KENNY
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 897

You haven't given any dates, so....................are these your grandparents?

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Kenny
Sex Female
Marriage year 1907
Marriage date 06 Jan 1907
Place South Shields
Description St. Jude
Spouse first name(s) Joseph
Spouse last name Bell
Groom's first name(s) Joseph
Groom's last name Bell
Groom's parish -
Bride's first name(s) Elizabeth
Bride's last name Kenny

We can't guess.......................the names are not uncommon

If we are to help, we need concrete info on which to base our searches

Thomas B Allan
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Thomas B Allan
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: Alexander Allan
Mother's name: Eliza Allan
Gender: Male
Where born: Longbenton, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Walker
Ecclesiastical parish: Walker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 134
Piece: 3844
Folio: 108
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Allan 28
Eliza Allan 26
Mary R Allan 5
Thomas B Allan 3
Eliza Allan 2


Thomas B Allen
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas B Allen
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's name: Alexander Allen
Gender: Male
Where born: Northd, Walker
Civil Parish: Walker
Ecclesiastical parish: Walker
Town: Walker
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Longbenton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 17
Piece: 5124
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Alexander Allen 38
Mary R Allen 14
Thomas B Allen 13
Elizabeth Allen 10
John Allen 9
Harriet Allen 8
Margaret Allen 8
Agnes Allan 4
Luisa Allan 3
Ann Ralson 19


By 1881, Alexander is a widower, with no further children showing, at least on census.
Son John is still living with him in 1881, and still unmarried.

There are lots of Percy/Percival Allans born in that general area.

ALLAN, THOMAS BANNERMAN mms WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 147

Thomas Bannerman Allen
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Thomas Bannerman Allen
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Walker on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Ulverston
Ecclesiastical parish: Osmatherley St John, Ulverston St Jude, and Ulverston St Mary
Town: Ulverston
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Ulverston
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Neighbors:
Piece: 4004
Folio: 12
Page Number: 15
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Bannerman Allen 43 - Roman Catholic priest <<<<<<<<<<<<
Margaret Reddan 39 - servant
Ann Reddan 30 - servant

Two births on freebmd for Thomas Bannerman Allan

The GRO site will confirm MMN

There is a marriage in 1880 in Newcastle for a Percival Allan where the bride could be Mary Henderson

Have you looked for anything yourself?

Freebmd is the best place to start

Alexander Allan may have married Eliza Williams in 1854 in Cheshire

I don't have his wife's maiden name but first name was Mary, also I don't have the names of the 2 daughters (nuns).
I assume that he was my grandmothers cousin ,as her uncle was named
Thomas Bannerman Allan. A catholic priest,this may be the reason for the 2 daughters becoming nuns,
His fathers name was Alaxander Allan,mothers name Eliza Williams from Wales.