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Laurence & Mary Anne Lawless lived in Co. Dublin

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Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins Report 18 Oct 2018 13:25

Any one descended from Laurence Lawless and wife Mary Anne?

Mary Anne Lawless died in Dec 1900 in Kingstown, Co. Dublin.
Death Certificate gives her age as 61.

Burial record states 70! w/f Laurence Lawless

Laurence Lawless died 1901 in 1901 at the Loughlinstown Workhouse in Rathdown, Co. Dublin. Daughter Margaret Pollard was the informant. (She was my Great Grandmother)

Both are buried in the same grave no.at Deansgrave Graveyard Co. Dublin

greyghost

greyghost Report 18 Oct 2018 14:00

Do you want help (if so, what) or just want to know if anyone else is researching these people?

I think it has been been suggested before that anyone related to the people you ask about is unlikely to just happen by your post.

Try using the Search Facility to check if anyone else is researching the names and then you can try contacting them.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Oct 2018 14:28

You know where to look to find connections on here

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins Report 18 Oct 2018 15:26

This is some other informtion regarding Laurence Lawless & his wife Mary Anne.

Church Burial Record: Deansgrange – No Date
Mary Anne LAWLESS Died 28 Dec 1900 aged 70 of 3 Paradise Place, Kingstown, Co. Dublin. W/F of Laurence Lawless
Graveyard: DEANSGRANGE grave N3 111 N
Informant was Michael GROVES - Relationship not Recorded

There is NO Death Registered for a Mary Lawless aged 70.

Church Burial Record Deansgrange – No Date
Name: Laurence Lawless Date of Death: 17-Apr-1901 Age:74
Parish / District: DEANSGRANGE
Address: The Workhouse Loughlinstown County: Co. Dublin
Status: Widower (Male) Denomination: Roman Catholic
Occupation: LABOURER

So Michael Groves and Mary Groves obviously didn’t known her correct age!


Death Certificate for Mary Anne Lawless;-
MARY ANNE LAWLESS married, wife of a labourer Died 28 Dec 1900 aged 61 at Turners Ave.
Informant: Granddaughter Mary Groves of Turners Avenue,
Perhaps Mary Groves was looking after her Grandmother at the time she died as the date of death matches the Burial record but addresses differ.

Who are Michael Groves and Mary Groves? Were they husband and wife or not related in any way?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 Oct 2018 15:39

1901 Irish census is free - as I have no doubt you know.

Try looking for them there

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 18 Oct 2018 16:39

possible:

1901:
Residents of a house 7 in Bonds Lane (Kingstown, Dublin)
Groves Michael 27 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Dublin Geneal Labourer
Groves Mary 28 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Dublin -
Groves Lena Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Dublin -
-----------------------------

1911 (Mary married 12 years)
Residents of a house 2 in Baxter's Court (Kingstown No. 3, Dublin)
Groves Michael 35 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Dublin General Labourer
Groves Mary 36 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Dublin -
Groves Lena 11 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Dublin Scholar
Groves Maryanne 8 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Dublin Scholar
Groves Michael 4 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Dublin Scholar
Groves Edmond 3 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Dublin
----------------------------

Marriage:

Party 1 Name MICHAEL GROVES
father: Phillip Groves
Party 2 Name MARY Harriet MAGGIS (Turner's Ave)
Father: Henry Maggis (Soldier)
Date of Event 23 April 1899
Group Registration ID 2390655
SR District/Reg Area Rathdown
-------------------------------------
Mary's birth:-

Birth:
Name Harriet Mary Maggs
Gender Female
Birth Date 24 Aug 1871
Birthplace Northcote Ave, Kingstown, Dublin, Ireland
Father's Name Henry Maggs (soldier)
Mother's Name Mary Anne Lawless<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
----------------------------

However,- bit of confusion as the catholic registers for the Mary Harriet Maggis marriage states she was living in Turner's Ave, but parents were Henry Maggis and Mary Ann Norris/ Norres of Scotland.

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins Report 18 Oct 2018 17:20

I have found all of those, but as you say confusion with regards to connecting the family to Mary anne Lawless who was married to Laurence Lawless as her maiden name was Hogan.
It almost seems that there is a generation gap somewhere.. plus Michael Groves & Mary Groves on the 2 census records couldn't read or write according to the birth certificates of their children as signed with a Mark. 'X'
Michael Groves signed the 2 census form with an X
Mark also been recorded as MMN on some!

British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920

Name: Mary Maggs
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 23 Sep 1896
Marriage Place: Kingstown Co Dublin
Document Year: 1914
Relationship to Soldier: Spouse
Form Title: Descriptive Report on Enlistment
Number of Images: 6
Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier
Michael Groves Self (Head) 36
Mary Maggs Spouse
Esther A Groves Child
Mary A Groves Child
Michael Groves Child
James Groves Child
Philip Groves Child
Margaret Groves Child
Edward Groves Child

Birth dates differ for children and the Marriage! :-S

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 18 Oct 2018 17:40

Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers
Name: Mary Anne Lanless
[Mary Anne Lawless]
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1849
Baptism Date: 2 Jun 1849
Baptism Place: Wicklow, Wicklow, Ireland
Diocese: Dublin
Father: Lawrence Lanless
Mother: Mary Anne Hogan

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins

Teresa With Irish Blood in Me Veins Report 18 Oct 2018 20:43

Yes I do have that Baptism of Mary Anne Lawless in Wicklow. she's a sister of my Gt Grandmother Margaret Mary Lawless who had a Twin Brother Michael Lawless but they were born in Co. Dublin..

Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Margaret Lawless
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1859
Baptism Date: 23 Feb 1859
Baptism Place: Kingstown, Dublin, Ireland
Residence Place: Bray
Parish Variants: Dun Laoghaire, St. Michael's, Kingstown
Diocese: Dublin
Father: Laurence Lawless

Mother: Mary Anne Lawless

Michael & Margaret Lawless twins.