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12 Oct 2018 23:20 |
The Suffolk baptism index does seem to include families named Pattle, so if Pattle Chinery did exist, it might have been the maiden name of one of the Chinery wives in his line.
Or maybe, if Edwin was illegitimate, Pattle was the surname of his biological father.
Can't tie the Pattles to Woolpit, just to the county at present.
Not finding any trace of a Pattle Chinery in military records.
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12 Oct 2018 23:03 |
If Christine's 1817 baptism is correct ( and it doesn't include a date of birth so we don't know if he was born as late as 1817, which doesn't tally well with age in censuses):
EDIT: but see further down the thread - it was a batch baptism, so year/date of birth not known.
Name: Edwin Chenery Gender: Male Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1817 Baptism Place: Archdeaconry of Sudbury, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND Mother: Ann Chenery FHL Film Number: 951463
Then it looks like Edwin was illegitimate.
He may have either completely made up a father's name etc to save face, or he may have substituted the name of a relative like a grandfather, or even used elements of his birth father's name, if it was known to him.
Can't find your tree on Anc to check the image for inspiration. EDIT: Found it, definitely reads as Pattle, or at a pinch Pattie. The later just might be a diminutive of Patrick, but am really reaching and no baptism to match.
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12 Oct 2018 21:59 |
Thanks guys. Working through this. I have ordered the 1879 death certificate/PDF for Maria. I guess the obvious question I have is if Edward/Edwin’s father is Edward why on their marriage certificate does he list his dad as pattle Chinery. It’s a very bad copy but defiantly not Edward. If you are able to find it I put a copy on my tree in Ancestry. I couldn’t find a pattle Chinery. It’s a mystery and strange.
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12 Oct 2018 20:52 |
You asked how to decide between two deaths for Maria Chinery nee Goode.
"Possible deaths - Searched for Maria Chinery DOB 1837 +/-2 years Suffolk = 21 results but only 2 in Stow 1879 or 1911 - is there a way to eliminate one of these?"
Erika has already posted this one, and I am inclined to agree with her..
Note that the age is approx correct, and she is buried at Woolpit, where your Maria resided in the 1871 census. The fact that you didn't find her in the census after 1871, also adds weight to this theory.
National Burial Index For England & Wales
First name(s) Maria Last name Chinery Age 41 Birth year 1838 Death year 1879 Burial year 1879 Burial date 21 Jun 1879 Church St Mary Denomination Anglican Place Woolpit<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< County Suffolk Country England Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Burials Collections from Great Britain, England
If you want to be absolutely certain, then buy a pdf of the death cert from the GRO, it should reference her as the widow of Edwin/Edward Chinery if it is the right one.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
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Christina(Lancashire)
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12 Oct 2018 20:22 |
Batism for Edward/Edwin's mother Ann?? 1851 census (as posed by Erika) shows pob as Drinkstone.....
Name: Ann Chinery Gender: Female Baptism Date: 26 Sep 1784 Baptism Place: Drinkstone, Suffolk, England Father: Isaac Chinery Mother: Margaret Chinery FHL Film Number: 887395
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12 Oct 2018 18:38 |
I think I have found the grown up Eliza Stannard baptised 1817, so am now convinced Elizabeh Stannard baptised 1809 is the correct Elizabeth, and Eliza c1817 her sister.
First name(s) Eliza Last name Stannard Marriage year 1837 Marriage date 24 Jan 1837 Marriage place Stowmarket Spouse's first name(s) Robert T Spouse's last name Tricker County Suffolk Country England Record set Suffolk Marriage Index
Census 1841:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
White Horse, Stowmarket, Stow, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Robert Tricker Male 27 1814 Suffolk, England Eliza Tricker Female 24 1817 Suffolk, England Eliza Tricker Female 3 1838 Suffolk, England Rebecca Tricker Female 2 1839 Suffolk, England
and 1851:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Gipping Street, Stowmarket, Stow, Suffolk, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Tricker Head Married Male 36 1815 Coal Porter Stowmarket, Suffolk, England Eliza Tricker Wife Married Female 34 1817 - Stowmarket, Suffolk, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Eliza Tricker Daughter - Female 13 1838 Sunday Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England Rebecca Tricker Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England Edgar Tricker Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England Sarah Ann Tricker Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England Pammalia Tricker Daughter - Female 5 1846 Scholar Stowmarket, Suffolk, England Spensler Tricker Son - Male 3 1848 - Stowmarket, Suffolk, England Catherine Tricker Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Stowmarket, Suffolk, England James Hudson Lodger Unmarried Male 37 1814 Rail Porter Rushmere, Suffolk, England William Dowce Lodger - Male 15 1836 Errand Boy Wattisfield, Suffolk, England
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12 Oct 2018 18:21 |
Possible baptism for Edward/Edwin living in Woolpit......
Name: Edwin Chenery Gender: Male Baptism Date: 6 Nov 1817 Baptism Place: Archdeaconry of Sudbury, SUFFOLK, ENGLAND Mother: Ann Chenery FHL Film Number: 951463
Edit: Living with his mother in 1841???? Census posted by Erika on page 1.
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12 Oct 2018 18:18 |
Thomas Goode and wife Ann nee Pegg in 1841?
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Haughley Road, Wetherden, Stow, Suffolk, England
. First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Thomas Goode Male 70 1771 Suffolk, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ann Goode Female 70 1771 Suffolk, England
As age was rounded down to the nearest 5 years for adults in 1841, could this be his baptism?
First name(s) Thomas Last name Goode Birth year 1768 Baptism year 1768 Baptism date 20 Nov 1768 Parish Wetherden, St Mary Place Wetherden Relationship Son Father's first name(s) William Mothers first name(s) Anne County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
and this the marriage of his parents?
MARRIAGE FOR WILLIAM GOODE AND ANNE ANNIS:
First name(s) William Last name Goode Marriage year 1755 Marriage date 25 Aug 1755 Marriage place Wetherden Spouse's first name(s) Anne Spouse's last name Annis County Suffolk Country England Record set Suffolk Marriage Index Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages
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12 Oct 2018 18:16 |
This could be the son of Edward & Rebecca.....
Edward Chinnery in the 1851 England Census
Name: Edward Chinnery Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Chinnery Gender: Male Where born: Assington, Suffolk, England Civil Parish: Lymington Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish Town: Lymington County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation: General Practitioner of Medicine??
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image Registration district: Lymington Sub-registration district: Lymington ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 57 Piece: 1666 Folio: 32 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Edward Chinnery 35 Mary Chinnery 36 Edward Chinnery 6 Mary Chinnery 5 Charles Chinnery 1 Annie Chinnery 1 Mo Eliza Bound 28 Emma Edmunds 23 Ellen Pardy 20
And in 1841 with 2 of his sisters? His occupation is Surgeon.....
Edward Chinery in the 1841 England Census
Name: Edward Chinery Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Male Civil Parish: Lymington Hundred: Lymington County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
View image Registration district: Lymington Sub-registration district: Lymington Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 393 Book: 6 Folio: 85 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Hatchard 30 Sarah Ann Hatchard 35 Sarah Ann Hatchard 5 George Kary Hatchard 2 Lydia Hatchard 7 Mo Lydia Hatchard 25 Ellen Ailes 15 Eliza Neesman 15 Edward Chinery 25 Caroline Chinery 35 Catherine Chinery 20
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12 Oct 2018 18:10 |
Probable baptism for Martin Stannard:
First name(s) Martin Last name Stannard Birth year 1769 Baptism year 1769 Baptism date 21 Mar 1769 Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary Place Stowmarket Relationship Son Father's first name(s) William Mothers first name(s) Mary County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3) Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
Possible marriage for his parents:
First name(s) William Last name Stannard Marriage year 1763 Marriage date 18 Oct 1763 Marriage place Stowmarket Spouse's first name(s) Mary Spouse's last name Tideman County Suffolk Country England Record set Suffolk Marriage Index
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12 Oct 2018 18:06 |
Baptisms for children of Martin Stannard and Catherine Parker (Elizabeth 1809 and Eliza 1817 already posted)
First name(s) Martin Last name Stannard Birth year 1806 Baptism year 1806 Baptism date 10 Jan 1806 Place Stowmarket Father's first name(s) Martin Mother's first name(s) Catharine County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 2)
First name(s) Thomas Last name Stannard Birth year 1807 Baptism year 1807 Baptism date 06 Aug 1807 Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary Place Stowmarket Relationship Son Father's first name(s) Martin Mothers first name(s) Catherine Notes late PARKER County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) Thomas Last name Stannard Birth year 1807 Baptism year 1807 Baptism date 06 Aug 1807 Place Stowmarket Father's first name(s) Martin Mother's first name(s) Catherine County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 2)
irst name(s) Charlotte Last name Stannard Birth year 1819 Baptism year 1819 Baptism date 27 Apr 1819 Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary Place Stowmarket Relationship Daughter Father's first name(s) Martin Mothers first name(s) Catharine Father's occupation Labourer Residence Stowmarket County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) John Last name Stannard Birth year 1821 Baptism year 1821 Baptism date 23 Aug 1821 Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary Place Stowmarket Relationship Son Father's first name(s) Martin Mothers first name(s) Catharine Father's occupation Husbandman Residence Stowmarket County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
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12 Oct 2018 18:02 |
More baptisms for children of George Goode and Elizabeth Stannard:
First name(s) Mary Ann Last name Goode Birth year 1843 Baptism year 1843 Baptism date 02 Jul 1843 Parish Harleston, St Augustine Place Harleston Father's first name(s) George Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth Father's occupation Labourer Residence Harleston County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) Robert Last name Goode Birth year 1845 Baptism year 1845 Baptism date 17 Aug 1845 Parish Harleston, St Augustine Place Harleston Father's first name(s) George Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth Father's occupation Labourer Residence Harleston County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) George Thomas Last name Goode Birth year 1847 Baptism year 1847 Baptism date 04 Jul 1847 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Father's first name(s) George Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth Father's occupation Labourer Residence Haughley County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
EDIT: George died aged 3:
First name(s) George Last name Goode Age 3 Birth year 1847 Death year 1850 Burial year 1850 Burial date 10 May 1850 Church St Mary Denomination Anglican Place Haughley County Suffolk Country England Record set National Burial Index For England & Wales
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Goode Birth year 1850 Baptism year 1850 Baptism date 19 May 1850 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Father's first name(s) George Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth Father's occupation Labourer Residence Haughley County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
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12 Oct 2018 17:59 |
Baptisms for children of George Goode and Elizabeth Stannard:
First name(s) Isaac Last name Goode Birth year 1832 Baptism year 1832 Baptism date 26 Dec 1832 Parish Stowmarket, St Peter & St Mary Place Stowmarket Relationship Son Father's first name(s) George Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth Father's occupation Labourer Residence Stowmarket Notes father living at Haughley<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) Eliza Ann Last name Goode Birth year 1834 Baptism year 1834 Baptism date 02 Dec 1834 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Father's first name(s) George Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth Father's occupation Labourer Residence Haughley County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) Catherine Last name Goode Birth year 1838 Baptism year 1838 Baptism date 09 Dec 1838 Parish Harleston, St Augustine Place Harleston Father's first name(s) George Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth Father's occupation Labourer Residence Harleston County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) Alfred Last name Goode Birth year 1841 Baptism year 1841 Baptism date 18 Apr 1841 Parish Harleston, St Augustine Place Harleston Father's first name(s) George Mothers first name(s) Elizabeth Father's occupation Labourer Residence Harleston County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
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12 Oct 2018 17:54 |
More baptisms for children of Thomas Goode and Ann Pegg:
First name(s) John Last name Goode Birth year 1801 Baptism year 1801 Baptism date 27 Dec 1801 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Relationship Son Father's first name(s) Thomas Mothers first name(s) Ann Notes bn 26 Nov / late PEGG County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) Isaac Last name Goode Birth year 1804 Baptism year 1804 Baptism date 08 Jul 1804 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Relationship Son Father's first name(s) Thomas Mothers first name(s) Ann Notes late PEGG County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
First name(s) Samuel Last name Goode Birth year 1806 Baptism year 1806 Baptism date 03 Aug 1806 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Relationship Son Father's first name(s) Thomas Mothers first name(s) Ann Notes bn 9 Jul / late PEGG County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3)
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12 Oct 2018 17:51 |
Baptisms for offspring of Thomas Goode and Anne Pegg (son George already posted)
First name(s) Robert Last name Goode Birth year 1792 Baptism year 1792 Baptism date 20 Mar 1792 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Relationship Son Father's first name(s) Thomas Mothers first name(s) Anne Notes late PEGG County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3) Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
First name(s) Mary Last name Goode Birth year 1794 Baptism year 1794 Baptism date 13 Apr 1794 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Relationship Daughter Father's first name(s) Thomas Mothers first name(s) Anne Notes late PEG County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3) Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Goode Birth year 1796 Baptism year 1796 Baptism date 07 Sep 1796 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Relationship Daughter Father's first name(s) Thomas Mothers first name(s) Anne Notes late PEGG County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3) Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
First name(s) Charles Last name Goode Birth year 1799 Baptism year 1799 Baptism date 02 Dec 1799 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Relationship Son Father's first name(s) Thomas Mothers first name(s) Ann Notes late PEGG County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3) Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911
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12 Oct 2018 16:35 |
EDWARD Last name CHINERY Marriage year 1807 Marriage day 9 Marriage month Jun Place BEAULIEU Groom's first name Edward Groom's last name Chinery Bride's first name Rebecca Bride's last name Warner Groom's notes - Bride's notes - Parish Beaulieu County Hampshire Country England Record set Hampshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
Hampshire Genealogical Society
REBECCA Last name WARNER Birth year 1785 Baptism year 1785 Baptism day 17 Baptism month Apr Son or daughter Daughter First parent's first name(s) Jno Second parent first name(s) Eliza Parish BEAULIEU County Hampshire Country England Record set Hampshire baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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12 Oct 2018 16:16 |
A tree on Ancestry (Beware, not always accurate) says that Rebecca Warner and Edward Chinery married in Beaulieu on 9th June 1807 - by Licence
The date and location would fit with all the rest of the info posted, so it may well be true
The same tree lists her parents as John (1741-1823) and Elizabeth (1743-1803)
John is recorded as having died in Bath, Somerset
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12 Oct 2018 16:00 |
Baptism for George Goode? C. 1810 Haughley in census 1851:
First name(s) George Last name Goode Birth year 1810 Baptism year 1810 Baptism date 10 Jun 1810 Parish Haughley, St Mary Place Haughley Relationship Son Father's first name(s) Thomas<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mothers first name(s) Ann<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Notes late PEGG<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< County Suffolk Country England Source Suffolk Baptism Index (Part 3) Record set Suffolk Baptism Index 1538-1911 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
MARRIAGE OF THOMAS GOODE AND ANNE PEGG:
irst name(s) Anne Last name Pegg Marriage year 1791 Marriage date 26 Dec 1791 Marriage place Harleston Spouse's first name(s) Thomas Spouse's last name Goode County Suffolk Country England Record set Suffolk Marriage Index Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
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12 Oct 2018 15:58 |
Name Rebecca Chinery Event Type Obituary Event Date 15 Jul 1856 Event Place Lewes, Sussex, England, United Kingdom Event Place Lewes, Sussex, England Gender Female Death Date 10 Jul 1856 Spouse's Name Esq Edward Chinery Spouse's Titles and Terms Esq Newspaper Sussex Advertiser
Name Rebecca Event Type Obituary Event Date 19 Jul 1856 Event Place Norwich, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom Event Place Norwich, Norfolk, England Gender Female Spouse's Name Esq Edward Chinery Spouse's Titles and Terms Esq Newspaper Norfolk Chronicle
Results: Name: Age at Death (in years): CHINERY, REBECCA 72 GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in STEYNING Volume 02B Page 131
1851 census Western Cottages, Brighton, Sussex, England
Rebecca Chenery Head Widow Female 66 1785 Annuitant Beaulieu, Hampshire, England Catherine Chenery Daughter Unmarried Female 31 1820 - Assington, Suffolk, England Anna Chenery Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1828 - Milford, Suffolk, England Eliza Hathernwood Servant Unmarried Female 25 1826 House Servant Wormingford, Essex, England Ann Burnett Servant Unmarried Female 17 1834 House Servant Turners Hill, Sussex, England
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12 Oct 2018 15:57 |
More siblings
Name Catherine Chinery Gender Female Christening Date 30 Oct 1819 Christening Date (Original) 30 OCT 1819 Christening Place SUFFOLK COUNTY BTS,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND Father's Name Edward Chinery Mother's Name Rebecca
Name Antoinetta Elizabeth Chinery Gender Female Christening Date 11 Nov 1813 Christening Date (Original) 11 NOV 1813 Christening Place ASSINGTON,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND Father's Name Edward Chinery Mother's Name Rebecca
Name Rebecca Harriet Chinery Gender Female Christening Date 02 Sep 1809 Christening Date (Original) 02 SEP 1809 Christening Place Assington, Suffolk, England Birth Date 1809 Father's Name Edward Chinery Mother's Name Rebecca Warner***************************BONUS!
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