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2 Oct 2018 20:35 |
Looking for Henry Finch b about 1782. (Died 1849 Stepney).
On 1841 Census he says he was a Carpenter.
Married a Martha Mary Hickman (Both of the parish & both single!) on 28th August, 1814 at Christchurch, Greyfriars, London.
If they were both 'Of this parish' does this mean that they were born / baptised there (ie the family were in the area) or just living in the parish for the purpose of marriage?
I am trying to find his parents & possible siblings. Henry & Martha had 6 children -
Harriet b1815 Bapt St Margaret, Westminster, Henry b 1818 also bapt at St Margaret, Westminster, Sarah b 1822 Bapt St. Matthew, Bethnal Green, Elizabeth b1827, Susannah b1829 & Anne b 1831. Last 3 all bapt at St George in the East.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks.....
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ErikaH
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2 Oct 2018 20:42 |
'Of the parish' means resident there for the required period of time prior to the marriage
In 1841, does it say 'born in county'?
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ArgyllGran
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2 Oct 2018 21:24 |
1841 says not born in county.
Birth c1786.
Henry Finch in the 1841 England Census Name: Henry Finch Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786 Gender: Male Civil Parish: Stepney Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Ratcliff Neighbors: Piece: 714 Book: 2 Folio: 16 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Henry Finch 55 Martha Finch 40 Sarah Finch 12 ["Susan'h" on image ] Anna Finch 9 Wm Poole 24 - servant Jno Hughs 22 - carpenter Emma Hughs 20
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ArgyllGran
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2 Oct 2018 21:44 |
This is the death mentioned by Marcus:
FINCH, HENRY 67 GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 390
So Henry may have been born 1782 if death informant was correct, or 1786 if we believe the census (which we probably don't), or any year round about then.
And not born in Middlesex - which leaves a lot of options!
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malyon
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2 Oct 2018 23:16 |
Henry Finch England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Henry Finch Gender: Male Christening Date: 28 Apr 1782 Christening Date (Original): 28 APR 1782 Christening Place: SAINT MARY THE VIRGIN,DOVER,KENT,ENGLAND Birth Date: 13 Apr 1782 Father's Name: John Finch Mother's Name: Susanna
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malyon
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2 Oct 2018 23:21 |
this henry has a daughter susanna also his mothers name was susanna as posted above
Henry Finch England and Wales Census, 1841
Name: Henry Finch Titles and Terms: NULL Event Type: Census Event Date: 1841 Event Place: Stepney, Middlesex, England Residence Note: Commercial Road Gender: Male Age: 55-59 Age: 55 Occupation: Null Birth Year (Estimated): 1782-1786 Registration District: Stepney Parish: Stepney County: Middlesex Page Number: 24 Registration Number: HO107 Piece/Folio: 714/16 Affiliate Record Type: Institution Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Henry Finch Male 55-59 Martha Finch Female 40-44 Susanh Finch Female 12 Middlesex Anna Finch Female 9 Middlesex Wm Poole Male 24-28 Middlesex Jno Hughs Male 22-26 Middlesex Enma Hughs Female 20-24 Middlesex
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Gwyn in Kent
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3 Oct 2018 02:52 |
Who were the witnesses when Henry married Martha Mary?.
I see that when Martha Mary Finch married as a widow, her father is named as Moses Hickman, a carpenter. I wonder if Henry was perhaps his apprentice or at least worked along side Moses
Is this the correct Mary Martha? Could this be Henry's home area too?
Name: Martha Mary Hickman Gender: Female Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1792 Baptism Place: Sandon, Essex, England Father: Moses Hickman Mother: Elizabeth FHL Film Number: 1472680.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Oct 2018 16:04 |
The witnesses to the marriage were J Knight and Anne Reeve - but their names pop up as witnesses to various other marriages in that church on other dates, so I don't think they're relatives of Henry or Martha.
Henry Finch in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Henry Finch Gender: Male Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 28 Aug 1814 Marriage Banns Place: Christ Church, City of London, England Spouse: Mary Hickman Register Type: Parish Register
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ArgyllGran
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3 Oct 2018 16:18 |
Martha remarried. Here she is in 1851:
Martha M Lambuth in the 1851 England Census Name: Martha M Lambuth Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Jas Hy Lambuth Gender: Female Where born: Writtle, Essex, England <<<<<<<<<<< Civil Parish: Stepney Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Stepney Sub-registration district: Ratcliff ED, institution, or vessel: 01 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 344 Piece: 1551 Folio: 37 Page Number: 67 Household Members: Name Age Jas Hy Lambuth 63 Martha M Lambuth 58 Susan Finch 21 Maria Finch 19
Sandon and Writtle are both very close to Chelmsford.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Oct 2018 16:25 |
James Henry Lambirth in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: James Henry Lambirth Registration Year: 1850 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: St George in the East Inferred County: London Volume: 2 Page: 88 Records on Page: Name
Martha Mary Finch James Henry Lambirth
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ArgyllGran
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3 Oct 2018 16:28 |
1861 says Martha was born in Sandon - so that birth's correct, Gwyn.
Matha Lamberth in the 1861 England Census Name: Matha Lamberth Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: 1793 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James H Lamberth Gender: Female Where born: Sandon, Essex, England Civil Parish: Stepney County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: Household schedule number: 203 Piece: 296 Folio: 136 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age James H Lamberth 71 Matha Lamberth 68
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ArgyllGran
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3 Oct 2018 16:30 |
Maybe Henry ???
Harry Finch England, Essex Parish Registers Name Harry Finch Event Type Christening Event Date 07 Apr 1793 Event Place Sandon, Essex, England Gender Male Father's Name John Finch Mother's Name Anne
EDIT:
No, this one's ten years younger.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Oct 2018 16:36 |
???? Margaretting is also very close to Chelmsford -
Henry Finch in the Essex, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1518-1960 Name: Henry Finch Gender: Male Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1787 Baptism Place: Margaretting, Essex, England Father: Wm Finch FHL Film Number: 000857079
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Marcus
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3 Oct 2018 17:17 |
Thanks everyone for replies so far!
I personally think that Henry was born in Essex rather than Middlesex but have never been sure, but the Chelmsford / Sandon is a strong possibility. Just a hunch on my part, nothing else.
ArgyllGran, your last post about Margaretting seems possible, even though 5 years out.
Malyon, date wise it fits, but Dover? Possible as people did move around a lot for work etc.....
Yes, Martha remarried to James Lamberth / Lambuth.
Thanks again!
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malyon
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3 Oct 2018 22:03 |
i still think it could be dover mother named susanna henry had a daughter susannah
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ArgyllGran
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3 Oct 2018 22:37 |
This looks like Malyon's Dover Henry in 1851 - so not your Henry, Marcus..
By coincidence, he's a carpenter
Henry Finch in the 1851 England Census Name: Henry Finch Age: 69 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1782 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Finch Gender: Male Where born: Dover, Kent, England Civil Parish: Walmer Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Eastry Sub-registration district: Sandwich ED, institution, or vessel: 7a Neighbors: Household schedule number: 111 Piece: 1631 Folio: 570 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Henry Finch 69 Sarah Finch 67 Susan Williams 15 - servant
And probably the same couple in 1841, though ages are a few years out;
Henry Finch in the 1841 England Census Name: Henry Finch Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786 Gender: Male Where born: Kent, England Civil Parish: Walmer Hundred: Cornilo County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Eastry Sub-registration district: Deal Neighbors: Piece: 470 Book: 17 Folio: 15 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Henry Finch 55 - builder Sarah Finch 55 Susanna Finch 20
Henry Finch in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Henry Finch Gender: Male Marriage Date: 5 Dec 1803 Marriage Place: Walmer, Kent, England Spouse: Sarah Culling FHL Film Number: 1866577 Reference ID: item 1
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Kense
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4 Oct 2018 15:02 |
In the 1841 census ages should have been rounded down to the nearest multiple of five for those over 15. That explains the age discrepancy in the previous post.
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Marcus
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4 Oct 2018 18:48 |
Thanks ArgyllGran. So, it appears that Henry from Dover isn't the one at this present time.
Malyon, thanks for finding that entry for me.
So, this leaves us at the moment with Henry from Margaretting, Essex.
Does this Henry, son of William Finch, have any siblings ? And what is his mother's name?
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ArgyllGran
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4 Oct 2018 20:45 |
Charles Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 4 June 1798 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William Finch
William Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 29 December 1785 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William Finch
Mary Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 23 August 1812 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William Finch mother: Mary Finch <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Augustin Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 14 August 1792 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William Finch
Elizabeth Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 4 September 1796 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William Finch
Letitia Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 25 October 1789 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William Finch
John Matthew Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 3 April 1791 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William Finch
John Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 7 February 1811 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William mother: Mary
Mary Finch England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997 christening: 23 April 1782 , Margaretting, Essex, England father: William Finch
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ArgyllGran
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4 Oct 2018 20:59 |
But John 1811 and Mary 1812 could be the children of William 1785, and therefore nephew and niece of Henry.
Possibly William 1785's marriage:
William Finch in the Essex, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1518-1960 Name: William Finch Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Marriage Date: 1 Dec 1807 Marriage Place: Margaretting, Essex, England Spouse: Mary Spink FHL Film Number: 000857079
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