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Help, I'm trying to find information on Edward Davies who was married to Rose/Rosa Charlotte Kate Haines. They had I believe 6 children between 1893 and 1904. Rose/Rosa remarried to Walter Edward Gatford and had a further 3 children and later emigrated to Australia in 1927. I also believe that Edward Davies must have been killed in service. What I need to know is the birth date and census information for Edward.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,

Frank.

You don't say where.

Is this their marriage - a bit later than expected maybe?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1895 (>99%)
Davies Edward Bangor 11b 515
Griffiths Ellen Bangor 11b 515
Haines Rose Bangor 11b 515
Owens John Bangor 11b 515

Rose's baptism. She was born in 1867 though.

Rosa Charlotte Kate
Last name Haines
Birth year 1869
Birth date ? ? 1869
Baptism year 1869
Baptism date 30 May 1869
Father's first name(s) Joshua
Mother's first name(s) Keziah
Parish St Michael, Chester Square
County Middlesex
Country England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

152, Ebury Street, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joshua Haines Head Married Male 43 1838 Carpenter & C Warminster, Wiltshire, England
Kezia Haines Wife Married Female 40 1841 Cook (Dom) Middlesex, England
Selina K Haines Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Dressmaker Middlesex, England
Joshua J Haines Son Single Male 19 1862 Decorator Middlesex, England
George W Haines Son Single Male 17 1864 Carpenter Middlesex, England
Benjamin F Haines Son Single Male 15 1866 Plumber Middlesex, England
Rose C K Haines Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Nurse (D) Middlesex, England
Isaac N Haines Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Middlesex, England
Florence M Haines Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Middlesex, England
William S Haines Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Middlesex, England
Lavinia B E Haines Daughter Single Female 5 1876 Scholar Middlesex, England
Grace D Haines Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Middlesex, England
Charlotte Haines Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Middlesex, England

Marriage to Walter is in Sussex

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
Davies Rose E. Preston 2b 814
Gatford Walter Edward E. Preston 2b
Gathern Eliza Emma E. Preston 2b 814
Grimaldi Charles A E.Preston 2b 814

The family in 1911 in Worthing, Sussex:

Walter Gatford 27
Rose Gatford 38
Albert Davies 18
Victoria Davies 13
Henry Davies 10
Mary Davies 10
William Gatford 6
Louisa Gatford 4
Walter Gatford 2

Rose says she has had 8 children, 7 still living. Since there are only 4 Davies children here perhaps there were only 5 originally.

Family in 1911

1911 Census For England & Wales
2 Queens Street Worthing, Worthing, Sussex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Walter Gatford Head Married Male 27 1884 Bricklayer Labourer Cranleigh Surrey
Rose Gatford Wife Married Female 38 1873 - Pimlico London
Albert Davies Stepson Single Male 18 1893 News Agents Assistant Bangon Canarvon North Wales
Victoria Davies Stepdaughter - Female 13 1898 School Girl Penshyn Side North Wales Carnarvon
Henry Davies Stepson - Male 10 1901 School Boy Pensbury Side North Wales Carnarvon
Mary Davies Stepdaughter - Female 10 1901 School Girl Pensbury Side North Wales Carnarvon
William Gatford Son - Male 6 1905 School Boy Worthing Sussex
Louisa Gatford Daughter - Female 4 1907 School Worthing Sussex
Walter Gatford Son - Male 2 1909 School Worthing Sussex

Married 6 years, wrongly completed 8 children born (was only supposed to be to that marriage). 7 still living 1 has died

1901 - Edward is away - possibly Boer War at this stage

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Neville Place, Penrhyn, Conway, Caernarvonshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Rose Davies Wife Married Female 32 1869 Wife Of Reservist On Active Service At The Front Pimlico, Middlesex, England
Albert Davies Son Single Male 8 1893 Scholar Pimlico, Middlesex, England
Joshua Ed Davies Son Single Male 5 1896 School Boy Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Victoria Davies Daughter Single Female 3 1898 - Penrhyn, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Henry Rundle Davies Son Single Male 0 1901 - Penrhyn, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Mary Davies Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Penrhyn, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Rose & children in 1901. Original says husband a reservist on active service at the front. ( Was there a front in 1911?)

Rose Davies 32
Albert Davies 8
Joshua Ed Davies 5
Victoria Davies 3
Henry Remdle Davies 5 Months
Mary Davies 5 Months

Edit: Oh yes, the Boer War.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:

Possibly Albert born before marriage of Rose, going by 1901 birth place

HAINES, ALBERT - Order
GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 82 Occasional Copy: A

DAVIES, JOSHUA EDWARD HAYNES Order
GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 415

DAVIES, VICTORIA HAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in CONWAY Volume 11B Page 478

Henry and Mary twins

DAVIES, HENRY RUNDLE HAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in CONWAY Volume 11B Page 448

DAVIES, MARY HAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in CONWAY Volume 11B Page 448

GATFORD, WILLIAM JAMES HAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 317 Order

GATFORD, LOUISA ROSE DAVIES Order
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 310 Order

GATFORD, WALTER HAINES DAVIES Order
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 321 Order


If Rose was correct in 1911 saying she had had 8 children, then that would have included both marriages.

There appear to be 3 Gatford children, so perhaps 5 with Edward Davies was correct?

Joshua died in Sussex

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
DAVIES, JOSHUA EDWARD 14 Order
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 245

Do you have Edward and Rose's marriage certificate. If not you need it for Edward's age, address, occupation and the name and occupation of his Father.

There are many Edward Davies. They married after the 1891 census and he is missing from the 1901.

Rose married using just her first name. Maybe Edward had a second name to help locate him that he didn't use at marriage?

Find My Past has some Boer War records, if that's where he was, but unfortunately scanty personal / identifying information on them.

The family leaving for Australia:


Walter Edward Gatford
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name:
Walter Edward Gatford
Gender:
Male
Age:
43
Birth Date:
abt 1884
Departure Date:
9 Jun 1927
Port of Departure:
London, England
Destination Port:
Melbourne, Australia
Ship Name:
Balranald
Shipping line:
Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co
Official Number:
145897
Master:
Captain W P Townshend

He's with Mrs Rose Charlotte. 62 (is that right?), Harry Leslie. 15 and Louisa Rose. 20.

Here's Harry, born post 1911 census

GATFORD, HARRY LESLIE DAVIS Order
GRO Reference: 1912 M Quarter in EAST PRESTON Volume 02B Page 589 Order

Another spelling of Davies this time, rather than the earlier Haines / Haynes. None of the Gartford children should have been registered with Davies - should always be the Mother's maiden name, but probably depended on how the question was asked.

Possible for Edward's death?

E Davies
in the UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929

Name: E Davies
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Beaumoris
Death Date: 3 Apr 1902
Death Place: Charleston SA
Rank: Private
Regiment: 2 Scots Guards
Regimental Number: 7606


Image reads......
E Davies. 2- Scots Gds Pte 7606. Death 03/04/02 Charlestown S.A.
Place of birth Beaumaris. Enlisted 06/07/87. Trade at enlistment Laborer. Next of kin Wid Rose.

1891 census....

Name: Edward Davies
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Birth Year: 1869
Birth Place: Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Civil Parish: St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster
Residence Place: St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster, London, England
Sub registration district: St Margaret Westminster
ED, Institution or Vessel: Wellington Barracks a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 84
Folio: 94

Good find Christina !

Possible for 1881 - you need that marriage certificate

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
9, Gaol Street, Beaumaris (Anglesey), Bangor, Anglesey, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Davies Head Married Male 54 1827 Stone Mason Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Mary Davies Wife Married Female 56 1825 Stone Mason Wife Llandegfan, Anglesey, Wales
John Davies Son Single Male 19 1862 Stone Mason Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Mary Davies Daughter Single Female 21 1860 No Occupation Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Edward Davies Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Margaret Davies Grand Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales

The only other that comes up is an Edward Thomas Davies a Tailors Apprentice aged 15 b 1866 living with Grandmother Ellen Thomas

Same family 1871

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
New Street, Beaumaris, Bangor, Anglesey, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Davies Head - Female 44 1827 - Anglesey, Wales
Mary Davies Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Anglesey, Wales
John Davies Son - Male 9 1862 - Anglesey, Wales
Edward Davies Son - Male 3 1868 - Anglesey, Wales

(Edward Thomas aged 5 b 1866 with parents Thomas and Catherine)

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stanley Street, Beaumaris, Bangor, Anglesey, Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Davies Head Married Male 35 1826 Stone Cutter Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Mary Davies Wife Married Female 36 1825 - Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Ann Davies Daughter - Female 9 1852 - Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Harriet Davies Daughter - Female 6 1855 - Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Margaret Davies Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales
Mary Ellin Davies Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Beaumaris, Anglesey, Wales

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
Davies Henry Bangor &c. 27 477 <<<<<<<<<<<
Delamere Daniel Bangor &c 27 477
Parry Ann Bangor 27 477
Roberts Mary Bangor &c 27 477 <<<<<<<<<<<
Stone John Bangor &c 27 477
Thomas Jane Bangor 27 477

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
DAVIES, EDWARD ROBERTS Order
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 518

DAVIES, HARRIET ROBERTS Order
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in BANGOR Volume 11B Page 466 Order