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Without the marriage certificate it's difficult to pinpoint a birth for Michael, but did wonder if the following family were related. They are from the same area of Ireland and have similar first names. - I don't see a birth for Michael with these parents but I know this couple also had a daughter Mary and I don't see her birth either.

1901:
Residents of a house 41 in Drumaness (Dunmore, Down)
Keenan Patrick 12 Male Grand Son R Catholic
Maguire Francis 75 Male Head of Family R Catholic
Maguire William 31 Male Son R Catholic
Maguire Cicily 64 Female Wife R Catholic

Francis and Cicily's children included Mary, Sarah, William, Hugh, Patrick, Thomas, Rose & Francis
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Looking at the births of children for Michael and Georgina there does seem to be a pattern:

EMILY MARY MAGUIRE 1890 (Georgina's sister was also Emily M)

CECILIA MAGUIRE 1891 (Possibly named after Michael's mum)

FRANCIS JAMES EDWARD MAGUIRE (died 1897) (Possibly named after Michael's father)

ROBERT MAGUIRE 1895 (died 1896) (named after Georgina's father)

ELIZABETH MAY MAGUIRE 1897 (named after Georgina's mother)

SARAH MAGUIRE 03 May 1899 (died 1900) (birth was registered by a Sarah Maguire- possibly Michael's sister)

FRANCIS MAGUIRE on 07 February 1901 (died at five weeks) (Again possibly named after Micheal's father)

ROSE MAGUIRE on 22 January 1902 (possibly named after Michael's sister)

GEORGE MAGUIRE on 12 June 1906

SUSAN MAGUIRE on 08 April 1908

HUGH MAGUIRE on 04 September 1909

KATHLEEN MAGUIRE on 11 November 1911

Residents of a house 41 in Drumaness (Dunmore, Down)

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Forename

Age

Sex

Relation to head

Religion

Birthplace

Occupation

Literacy

Irish Language

Marital Status

Specified Illnesses


Keenan Patrick 12 Male Grand Son R Catholic Co Down Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Maguire Francis 75 Male Head of Family R Catholic Co Down Labourer Read and write - Married -
Maguire William 31 Male Son R Catholic Co Down Rougher in Spinning Mill Read and write - Not Married -
Maguire Cicily 64 Female Wife R Catholic Co Down -

1901 Census shows Michael living at No.38 and I would suggest that there is a distinct possibility the above are his parents....
There was a Sarah born to Michael and Georgina May1899 Drumaness but died April 1900.(Whooping Cough)
Francis born Feb 1901 died March 1901(convulsions from Birth.
Possibly a Michael Francis b 1905 but I cannot locate a Birth /Death for him

Keizi...are you sure you are following the correct family.....? What happened to "your Joseph" after he was born....?

are you sure you're looking at the correct census- Emily was never 'Emily Jane'- on census, birth and marriage she is Emily Mary? She appears as just Emma on the 1901 census in Ireland

Birth (GRO):
MAQUIRE, EMILY MARY (mother's maiden name: SUTHERLAND )
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS Volume 08E Page 839

1891
Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Residence Place: Barrow, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, Institution or Vessel: 25
Piece: 3487 Folio: 65
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Maguire 25 Head Steel works, Ireland
Georgina Maguire 22 Wife, Ireland
Emily M Maguire 10 mths daughter Barrow
Patrick Maguire 23 boarder, Navvy, Ireland
Alexander McWilliams 23 boarder
Edward McKenney 25
John Killen 28
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Marriage: 3rd June 1914 Chapel of Dunmore, Downpatrick
Emily Mary Maguire (spinster, full age)
Father: Michael Maguire (foreman labourer)

Kelzi- but that was my point- according to the 1891, 1901, and 1911 census, Michael was born c1866 not 1868:

A descendant of George Maguire (b. 12 June 1906) has a tree on Ancestry listing Michael's father as James- it might be worth contacting him to see if this information has come from Michael's marriage certificate.

The Michael Maguire birth you posted earlier (1868 Lurgan) has parents Hugh Maguire (shoemaker) and Mary Jane (formerly Quinn)

Possible for Hugh's birth:-

First name(s) Hugh
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1909
Registered quarter/year Jul - Sep 1909
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 517
Mother's last name (original) -
County Down
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

and Susan's:-

First name(s) Susan
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1908
Registered quarter/year Apr - Jun 1908
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 551
Mother's last name (original) -
County Down
Country Ireland

and Rose's:-

First name(s) Rose
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1902
Registered quarter/year Jan - Mar 1902
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 515
Mother's last name (original) -
County Down
Country Ireland

and George's:-

First name(s) George
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1906
Registered quarter/year Jul - Sep 1906
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 529
Mother's last name (original) -
County Down
Country Ireland

Kath. x

This would appear to be Cecily's birth (different spelling):-

First name(s) Cecilia
Last name Maguire
Birth year 1891
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Sutherland
District Barrow in Furness
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 932
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

Michael & Georginas daughter at birth in Barrow-in-Furness in 1890 is Emily Jane.On the 1901 & 1911 censuses,she's also Emily Jane,living with her parents.She appears to have shortened her name,or was maybe known as,Emma,in 1912 when she has Joseph.There's no fathers name on his birth record.She then appears to have married James Daly in 1914.The 1868 birth comes from the 2 census records.
Appreciate everyones help,cheers.

Yes that's the correct marriage Kathleen. The image is Elizabeth May Maguire and her sister Emily (Daley) was a witness, along with Michael J Maguire.

Elizabeth's birth:
MAGUIRE, ELIZABETH MAY SUTHERLAND
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in BARROW-IN-FURNESS Volume 08E Page 858
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Don't have time to look anymore tonight, but Kathleen- Michael had a quite a few daughters. This is the family in 1911:

Residents of a house 29 in Magheradrool (Ballynahinch, Down)
Maguire Michael 46 Male Head RC Co Down Agricultural Labourer Married
Maguire Georgina 42 Female Wife RC Co Antrim Married 21yrs 12 children 7 still living
Maguire Emily Mary 20 Female Daughter RC England Seamstress Single
Maguire Cicily 19 Female Daughter RC England Seamstress Single
Maguire Elizabeth M 13 Female Daughter RC England - Single
Maguire Rose 9 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Down Scholar Read and write - Single
Maguire George 4 Male Son RC Co Down Single
Maguire Susan 2 Female Daughter RC Co Down Single
Maguire Hugh 1 Male Son RC Co Down Single
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There was also another daughter, Kathleen, born in 1911:

Name KATHLEEN MAGUIRE
Date of Birth 11 November 1911
Father: Michael Maguire (Labourer)
Mother: Georgina Maguire (formerly Sutherland)
Birth place: Magheradrool
Informant: Cecily Maguire (present at birth)
Group Registration ID 1108927
SR District/Reg Area Downpatrick
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname SUTHERLAND

If he was born in England and not Ireland then there is this birth:-

First name(s) Michael John
Last name Maguire
Birth year 1868
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Carroll<<<<<<interesting?
District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 54
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births

Could his daughter Elizabeth Mary have married a cousin perhaps?

I'm getting a bit confused with the names now. Is his daughter Elizabeth May or Elizabeth Mary or Emma or Emily???

This is the marriage I can see:-

First name(s) Elizabeth Mary
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1919
Registration quarter Jan - Mar 1919
Registration district Downpatrick
Volume 1
Page 699

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Elizabeth Mary Maguire married one of these people

John Lenaghan, >>>>Francis Carroll,<<<<< John Kelly, John Joseph Brennan

County Down
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce

Kath. x

I think you're going to need the marriage certificate to confirm his father's name.

Where did you get 1868 for Michael's birth from?

1891 age 25
1901 age 35
1911 age 45
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On the marriage of his daughter Elizabeth May to Francis Carrol in 1919, Elizabeth lists her father as Michael John Maguire (although I don't see middle name John on the births of his children)

I haven't applied for it yet Kath.

Who does Michael name as his father on his marriage certificate to Georgina?

Kath. x

Could this be a possible birth (I don't know the areas of Ireland unfortunately):-

First name(s) Michael
Last name Maguire
Registration year 1868
Registered quarter/year 1868
Registration district Lurgan
Volume 11
Page 740
Mother's last name (original) -
County Antrim, Armagh, Down
Country Ireland
Record set Irish Births 1864-1958

Kath. x

Now got the marriage-1889 in Barrow-in-Furness.
Michael Maguire-Georgina Sutherland.
Just looking for his birth now.

THANK YOU ALL for the info-Joseph & Margaret (Daisy)married in 1974. Joseph died in 1986.Margaret (Daisy) died in 1989.
Emma,I've found out off the 1901 & 1911 censuses,was in fact,Emily Mary.She was born in 1890 in Barrow-in-Furness,but the family returned to Northern Ireland before 1901 & are on the censuses in Ballynahinch.She appears to have married James Daly in 1914 in Downpatrick.
Her parents are MICHAEL & GEORGINA MAGUIRE.
There's no fathers name on Josephs birth record.
I'm now looking for the marriage of Michael & Georgina,& also Michaels birth,around the 1868 mark,probably in the Ballynahinch area of Northern Ireland.
Once again,THANK YOU to everyone for your help,much appreciated.

If the 1989 death is correct for Daisy/ Margaret- then it's possible that she was also born in Ireland:

Birth:
Name MARGARET JANE ROBINSON
Date of Birth 29 September 1905
Place of birth: Workhouse Kilkeel
Mother: Margaret Robinson (domestic servant)
Group Registration ID 451410
SR District/Reg Area Kilkeel
Sex Female

That's a very good find Austin. A lot of couples round about the war time had broken marriages but could not afford divorce so they lived with another partner and if possible married later. Perhaps Joseph was already married to someone else (which is why the 1939 register has him alone but married) and they had to wait for either divorce becoming more available or the death of his wife.

There is this on the internet:-

Daisy is also a nickname for Margaret, used because Marguerite, the French version of that name, is also a French name for the oxeye daisy.

Kath. x

What was the address on William and Mary's birth certificate? Is their mother listed as Daisy Robinson on both?

Daisy is sometimes a nick name for Margaret.

Is it possible they lived as married but didn't actually marry until later in life?

Marriages Jun 1974
MAGUIRE JOSEPH ROBINSON BARROW/F 1 81
ROBINSON MARGARET J MAGUIRE BARROW/F 1 81
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When did Daisy die- there are a couple of possible deaths?

Name: Margaret Jane Maguire
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1905
Registration Date: Jun 1989
Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Inferred County: Cumbria
Volume: 1 Page: 121

Joseph's death:
Name: Joseph Maguire
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: 18 Jul 1912
Registration Date: Sep 1986
Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Inferred County: Cumbria
Volume: 1 Page: 100

Re safc's post 00.41...
51 Lisburn Road was the address of the Union Workhouse.

The William P birth is correct,as is the Mary J.I've got Marys birth cerificate.The birth for Joseph is correct too,If he was living on his own at Silverdale Street,where were his wife and the children who should of been with him & his Wife ? The mothers maiden name on Mary Js certificate is Robinson-but I can't find a Daisy Robinson-Joseph Maguire marriage that is correctt.I've got the certificate for the Burnley marriage & it's definitely not the correct one.
The Emma Maguire information is invaluable-THANK YOU.