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ArgyllGran
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6 Sep 2018 17:23 |
Catherine Tulip's father is named as Tom Tulip:
Albert Beaumont in the West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985 Name: Albert Beaumont Birth Date: abt 1891 Event Type: Marriage Father: George William Beaumont, deceased, carter Marriage Date: 26 Feb 1920 Marriage Age: 29 Spouse: Catherine Laing Spouse Marriage Age: 28 Archive Location: Wakefield Parish or Chapel: Wesley Chapel, Broad Street, Halifax Spouse Father: Tom Tulip, driver. Residence Place: Halifax Reel Number: Halifax, Hanging Heaton, Hartshead, Haworth, Hebden; WC 8 Reference Number: C111/320
Catherine's address: 84 Northgate, Halifax. Albert's address: 36 Parker Street, Claremount, Halifax
Witnesses: Mary *** HORNBY *** and Frank Taylor.
Looks like Catherine/Kate reverted to her birth surname before marriage.
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6 Sep 2018 17:03 |
Re Charles Laing - Kate's uncle in 1911 -
This looks like him in 1881:
Charles Laing in the 1881 England Census Name: Charles Laing Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relationship to Head: Son Father: David Laing Mother: Elisabeth Laing Gender: Male Where born: Hebburn, Durham, England Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 7 Hood St Occupation: Scoler Registration district: South Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 31a Neighbors: Piece: 5026 Folio: 39 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age David Laing 45 Elisabeth Laing 46 Kat. Lang 10 David Lang 8 Charles Laing 6 William Laing Joseph Grant 25 John Front 52 William Bastron 27
Same family in 1871 - his sister Johana is Hannah who married George?
Johana Laing in the 1871 England Census Name: Johana Laing Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation: Daughter Father's name: David Laing Mother's name: Elizabeth Laing Gender: Female Where born: Jarrow, Durham, England Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Yarrow Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Hebburn County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: South Shields Sub-registration district: South Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Household schedule number: 115 Piece: 5045 Folio: 14 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age David Laing 35 Elizabeth Laing 36 Johana Laing 8 Margaret Laing 5 Catherine Laing 9 Months Jessie Laing 14
LAING, JOANNA mms WATSON GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS UNION Volume 10A Page 509
By 1881 Joanna/Johana is called Hannah. With her sister Margaret in service with the Forster family:
Hannah Laing in the 1881 England Census Name: Hannah Laing Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relationship to Head: Kitchenmaid Gender: Female Where born: Hebburn Quay, Durham, England Civil Parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 113 Clayton Street Occupation: Kitchenmaid Registration district: South Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: Piece: 5025 Folio: 11 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age John Forster 40 Margt. Ann Forster 41 William Thos. Forster 16 Nicholas Forster 14 Matthew Forster 12 John Swanson Forster 9 George Forster 8 Mary Jane Forster 6 Ann Eliza Forster 5 Eleanor Forster 3 Ellen Stokes 17 Clarice Blake 18 Jesse Ann Callo 19 Jesse Corbett 19 Christiana McPherson 19 Hannah Laing 18 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Maggie Laing 16 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< nurse, Hebburn Quay
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Sylann
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6 Sep 2018 14:33 |
Sorry for the delay
I'll look into this more The ancestry connection could be the same as the one I've seen It does seem to fit in the Hornsby - Hornby always transcribed wrong
Thank you for helping
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ArgyllGran
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6 Sep 2018 12:49 |
Ancestry thinks Catherine Tulip and Kate are the same person - not necessarily correct.
Kate Hornsby in the 1911 England Census Name: Kate Hornsby Age in 1911: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation to Head: Niece Gender: Female Birth Place: Hebburn, Durham, England Civil Parish: Hebburn County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 46 Cuthbert St Hebburn Quay Marital Status: Single Occupation: Rope Spinner Registration district: South Shields Registration District Number: 556 Sub-registration district: Jarrow ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Piece: 30381 Household Members: Name Age Chartes Laing 35 Mary Ellen Laing 28 Elizabeth Laing 6 David Laing 5 John Laing 4 Jessie Laing 1 Ellen Laing 6/12 Kate Hornsby 21
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rootgatherer
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6 Sep 2018 11:26 |
The children of the marriage that had died before 1911 were Mary Elizabeth, Thomas William and Cecelia.
Has anyone found Catherine Tulip Laing in 1911 please?
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rootgatherer
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6 Sep 2018 10:25 |
I don't think that marriage is your Catherine. Here they are in 1939 and the birth year is wrong - unless of course she lied.
1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION Beaumont Household (5 People) 4 All Souls Terrace , Halifax C.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England Albert Beaumont
Catherine Beaumont DOB 13 Jul 1891 SEX Female OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties MARITAL STATUS Married SCHEDULE 220 SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2
Winnie Tucker (Beaumont)
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
George W Beaumont
Ref: RG101/3396B/020/27 Letter Code: © Findmypast Ltd
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rootgatherer
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6 Sep 2018 10:15 |
If the marriage is correct, she married as Laing so unlikely to be George's daughter. It might be worth getting the marriage certificate to see if she names a father and the witnesses may prove helpful.
Marriages Mar 1920 (>99%) Beaumont Albert Laing Halifax 9a 987 Laing Catherine Beaumont Halifax 9a 987
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malyon
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5 Sep 2018 22:24 |
says kate's dad is edward
Name: Jessie Hornby Sex: Female Husband: Edward Hornby Child: Kate Hornby Other information in the record of Kate Hornby from England Births and Christenings
Name: Kate Hornby Residence Place: Goole, York, England Gender: Unknown Christening Date: 05 Apr 1890 Christening Date (Original): 5 Apr 1890 Christening Place: Goole, York, England Father's Name: Edward Hornby Mother's Name: Jessie Hornby
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malyon
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5 Sep 2018 22:15 |
this could be jessie's death
Deaths Mar 1937 (>99%) Hornby Jessie J 81 Goole 9c 1248
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malyon
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5 Sep 2018 21:48 |
George F Hornby England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007 Name: George F Hornby Event Type: Death Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration Year: 1922 Registration District: South Shields County: Durham Event Place: South Shields, Durham, England Age (available after 1866): 66 Birth Year (Estimated): 1856 Volume: 10A Page: 718 Line Number: 101
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malyon
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5 Sep 2018 21:12 |
there is only one birth for a kate hornby in 1889
Births Dec 1889 (>99%) Hornby Kate Goole 9c 764
and her death
Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%) Hornby Kate 0 Goole 9c 502
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Sylann
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5 Sep 2018 20:58 |
Found the tree that has Kate on it
Catherine Tulip Laing born 1889 Durham ?? They have her marrying a Albert Beaumont 28 Feb 1920
They have the same 1901 & 1911 ??
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malyon
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5 Sep 2018 20:57 |
is this the kate mentioned by kathleen born goole 1889
Kate Hornby England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007 Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%) Hornby Kate 0 Goole 9c 502
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Sylann
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5 Sep 2018 20:47 |
The marriage is the wrong one it's Jessie Turnbull who George f married 1881
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Sylann
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5 Sep 2018 20:45 |
yes that is him as I said he married 3 times in 9yrs The next is Elizabeth Smith in 1885 she died 1886 The 1890 he married Hannah Laing
Some one has Hannah with a ….….Tulip and they have that Kate is his?? that's why I wanted the 1891 census
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KathleenBell
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5 Sep 2018 20:33 |
There is this marriage which could be the parents of Kate (although I know the first names of George are different):-
First name(s) Edward George Last name Hornby Marriage quarter 2 Marriage year 1878 Registration month -
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Edward George Hornby married one of these people
>>>>>Jessie Hanley,<<<<< Eliza Waltis, Eliza Walks
Then this census in 1881:-
George F Hornby's Household Members Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George F Hornby Head Married Male 25 1856 Engine Fitter York, Yorkshire, England Jessie J Hornby Wife Married Female 24 1857 - Hartlepool, Yorkshire, England<<<<<<<<<
The odd thing is that Jessie seems to have died in 1882. I wonder if George registered Kate's birth and unwittingly gave Jessie's maiden name instead of Hannah's????
Can't find them in 1891 census though.
EDIT - forget Jessie being the mother of Kate, I think this could be Kate's birth:-
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: LAING, CATHERINE TULIP GRO Reference: 1889 S Quarter in SOUTH SHIELDS Volume 10A Page 787
No mother's maiden name given so she was illegitimate.
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KathleenBell
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5 Sep 2018 20:26 |
The only Kate Hornby I can find born at the right time (1889) is this one:-
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: HORNBY, KATE HANLEY Order GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in GOOLE Volume 09C Page 764
Could George have been married previously?
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Sylann
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5 Sep 2018 20:19 |
Just looked at both censuses and they are in the same house for 1901 & 1911
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Sylann
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5 Sep 2018 20:17 |
She is with the family Hebburn Durham aged 12
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KathleenBell
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5 Sep 2018 20:08 |
Where is Kate in 1901 as I can't find her?
EDIT - found her now on Findmypast with family mistranscribed as Homly.
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