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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2018 14:00

Unfortunately the 1913 ER only lists the head of each household:

Albert Edward Saunders
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Albert Edward Saunders
Year: 1913
County or Borough: Haringey
Ward or Division/Constituency: Tottenham
Street address: 9, Glonwood-road

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2018 14:38

Could this be Norman in 1939? Collings has been corrected to Collins on the image.
Your Norman's dob was 23/11/13, per his death record, so this one's close:

Noman Collings
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Noman Collings
[Noman Collins]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 13 Nov 1913
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 110 Tr?? & Gordon Close Court
Residence Place: Islington, London, England
Occupation: General Labourer
Schedule Number: 10
Sub Schedule Number: 31
Enumeration District: ALAA
Registration district: 10-1

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2018 14:47

Maybe a possibility for Norman in 1935 - though no way to prove it.
He wouldn't be old enough to be on ERs before that.


Norman Collins
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Norman Collins
Year: 1935
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Ward or Division/Constituency: Hammersmith
Street address: 11 Norbroke Street

Living with Margaret and Llewellyn Horace Orchard, and an Albert Smith.

I imagine Norman and Albert were lodgers.

Mary

Mary Report 21 Aug 2018 15:07

Could be the above as Ivy F P Collins was living with Kate Elizabeth ORCHARD who could be related to Llewellyn Horace Orchard??

Maryb.

Shirley

Shirley Report 21 Aug 2018 15:13

yes, that could be him. He was a soldier in the second world war and he joined up at the beginning. This is maybe why he is not around in 1939. But apparently he wasn't a fan of his adopted dad . I think once Hannah died he did not stay with William. But guess that norman collings could also be him.
I think my friend just wants to be as sure as she can that she is following the correct annie fever and family. But I suppose unless there is some conclusive evidence....There is a lovely story of norman meeting his wife to be as she put a letter into the pocket of a uniform as she was working in a uniform factory during the war. Norman found the letter and contacted her, and the rest is history ...... <3 :-)

Shirley

Shirley Report 21 Aug 2018 15:39

yes, think that is an idea, as ivy and norman did look like each other and maybe they were children of the same son ? or at the very least, aunty and nephew ? that is the solution to them looking very much alike.
Can anyone find a marriage for harry or William junior ?
thanks for that Lancashire ann , never thought of that possibility . :-)

Mary

Mary Report 21 Aug 2018 15:52

Annie Fever 1886 daughter of George Fever born 1862 Tonge kent and Ellen Walker born 1865 Ospringe Kent married 24/12/1882

Annie Fever/Feaver in 1911 with Albert Edward Saunders and Ellen
Albert's parents William Henry George Saunders and Ellen Croucher born 1844.

Ellen Walker was the daughter of Richard Walker 1831-1904 and Mary Ann Croucher born 1840 ish-1918

Mary Ann Croucher had a sister Ellen Croucher born Charing Kent.

So it is looking like that is why Annie is with Albert Edward and Ellen Saunders in 1911

Maryb

Mary

Mary Report 21 Aug 2018 16:22

John Croucher 1807-1877 married Sarah Neaves born 1821-1891 they married in Charing Kent 20/11841
Sarah had a daughter Mary Ann Neaves 1839 who married under the name Mary Ann Croucher to Richard Walker
other children of John and Sarah were
William John 1842
Ellen 1844 married Saunders.
George Edward 1847
James 1849 -1850
Jane 1851
Emma 1856
Horace 1861
James 1851-1911.

tea time now
Maryb.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2018 16:38

Well figured out, Mary!

Mary

Mary Report 21 Aug 2018 19:26

1939 Annie with sister Ivy Butler in Surrey

Annie Maria Feaver died 1951 of 27,Salisbury Road New Maldon Surrey
Probate to Ellen Brigden widow Annie's mum £1135 13s 6d

Maryb.

Shirley

Shirley Report 21 Aug 2018 20:21

Yes maryb always comes up with amazing research. Well done Mary . Thankyou <3

Shirley

Shirley Report 21 Aug 2018 20:25

Looks,like Annie Maria fever never married then. I notice the spelling on her death is feaber , same as the other Annie Maria feaver nee worsley who married Alfred feaver. I bet that can cause confusion when people are trying to search :-S

Shirley

Shirley Report 21 Aug 2018 20:27

Hoping the detail on ivy Collins birth certificate may throw up a clue ...though it may just say ivy was daughter of William and Hannah ? :-S

Shirley

Shirley Report 21 Aug 2018 20:31

Can anyone check if it gives a mums maiden name for ivy Francis primrose Collins born april 1910 ? Probably be dage :-)

Mary

Mary Report 21 Aug 2018 21:06

Yes it was Dage

Maryb

Shirley

Shirley Report 22 Aug 2018 10:25

Thanks Mary :-)

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 22 Aug 2018 13:27

Drage not Dage - all Ivy's siblings have the same mmn

COLLINS, IVY FRANCES PRIMROSE DRAGE 1910

Mary

Mary Report 22 Aug 2018 13:32

Of course it was Drage I posted marriage for her yesterday!! Sorry.

Maryb.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 22 Aug 2018 14:32

possibly Harry William's marriage

Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)

COLLINS Harry William Islington 1b 789
OSBORN Alice Maud Islington 1b 789

There is a Harry & Alice with son Harry William age 1 mmn Osborn in 1911

Harry's occupation milk carrier which I think fits with the 1901 census (hard to read 1901) born Tottenham

Mary

Mary Report 22 Aug 2018 14:55

In 1920-30s
Albert Edward Saunders 9,Glenwood Road
Ernest Joseph Collins born 1895 and wife Caroline Elizabeth Devaney
Harriet V Granger nee Collins born 1892 were at 16,10 and 6 Glenwood Road.

Maryb.