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19 Aug 2018 18:19 |
I am trying to find death details for William Fisher. He was born in 1853 in Austerfiield borough of Doncaster. He was married to Elizabeth Winn at Harworth, Nottinghanshire on 11 Dec. 1876. At the time of his marriage he was a soldier in the 22nd foot regiment.
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19 Aug 2018 18:26 |
Welcome to the boards David.
When do you last have sight of William and where and who with?
Are these some of his children?
?? born before marriage - no mmn given. Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: WINN, SARAH ANN LOUISA - Order GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 34
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: FISHER, WILLIAM ARTHUR WINN Order GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 40 Order
FISHER, HENRY ALBERT WINN Order GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 38 FISHER,
GEORGE ERNEST WINN Order GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 38 Order
FISHER, ADA AMELIA WINN Order GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 38
FISHER, EDWIN WINN Order GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 34
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19 Aug 2018 18:30 |
Is this Elizabeth - says she's a widow by 1891
Worksop RD covers Harworth and Stirrup with Oldcotes
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Town Street, Styrrup with Oldcotes, Worksop, Yorkshire & Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Winn Head Widower Male 63 1828 Nottinghamshire, England Fur Labourer Elizabeth Fisher Daughter Widow Female 35 1856 Nottinghamshire, England - Ada Fisher Daughter Single Female 24 1867 Nottinghamshire, England Domestic Servant Sarah Ann Fisher Granddaughter Single Female 15 1876 Nottinghamshire, England Domestic Servant William Arthur Fisher Grandson - Male 12 1879 Nottinghamshire, England Scholar Henry A Fisher Grandson - Male 9 1882 Nottinghamshire, England Scholar George E Fisher Grandson - Male 6 1885 Nottinghamshire, England Scholar Ada Amelia Fisher Granddaughter - Female 6 1885 Nottinghamshire, England Scholar Edwin Fisher Grandson - Male 1 1890 Nottinghamshire, England - Norman Fisher Grandson - Male 0 1891 Nottinghamshire, England -
Ada will be a Winn
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19 Aug 2018 18:34 |
BUT, if that is the family - she also says she's a widow in 1881 !!
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription ?, Styrrup, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Winn Head Widower Male 55 1826 Tickhill, Yorkshire, England Ag Lab Elizabeth Fisher Daughter Widow Female 25 1856 Tickhill, Yorkshire, England - Ada Winn Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England Scholar Annie Winn Grand Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England Scholar William A Fisher Grand Son Single Male 2 1879 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England -
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19 Aug 2018 18:41 |
Nottinghamshire Marriages Index 1528-1929
First name(s) William Last name Fisher Marriage year 1876 Marriage date 11 Dec 1876 Marriage place Harworth & Bircotes Church All Saints Denomination Anglican Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse's last name Winn County Nottinghamshire Country England Record set Nottinghamshire Marriages Index 1528-1929
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County Nottinghamshire Place Harworth Church name All Saints Register type Parish Register Register entry number 221 Marriage date 01 Dec 1876 Groom forename William Groom surname FISHER Groom age 22 Groom condition bachelor Groom occupation Soldier 22 Foot Groom abode Oldcotes Bride forename Elizabeth Bride surname WINN Bride age 21 Bride condition spinster Bride abode Oldcotes Groom father forename John Groom father surname FISHER Groom father occupation Labourer Bride father forename William Bride father surname WINN Bride father occupation Labourer Witness1 forename Arthur Witness1 surname WINN Witness2 forename Mary Witness2 surname WINN
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19 Aug 2018 18:45 |
William Fisher 1849 died Worksop Nottingham O/N/D 1887 V7b P26
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19 Aug 2018 18:51 |
?? William age 22 in 1876 as per marriage record, so the death posted by Mary (and below) is a bit too old I think - he would be c 32/3 in 1887 born c 1854
Name: Age at Death (in years): Order: FISHER, WILLIAM 38 Order GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 26 Order
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19 Aug 2018 19:02 |
Elizabeth had son Edwin 1889 V07b P34.
She is with John lee in 1901 they had son Francis john lee 1894 V07b P35.
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19 Aug 2018 19:11 |
Norman "Fisher" as per 1891 census would appear to be a WINN
WINN, NORMAN OLIVER BROWN - Order GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 38
Edwin and previous children were registered as Fisher's in 1899 and before, but the surname would be considered to be that of the Mother at the time of registration unless another man was there to admit paternity, so who's to tell when William disappeared. She may not have been a widow at all??
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19 Aug 2018 19:13 |
The 1901 census referred to by Mary
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Cottage, Oldcotes, Styrrup, Worksop, Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation John Lee Head Married Male 50 1851 Clipstone, Nottinghamshire, England Agricultural Labourer Elizabeth Lee Wife Married Female 45 1856 Tickhill, Yorkshire, England - Annie Fisher Step Daughter Single Female 26 1875 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England Albert Fisher Step Son Single Male 19 1882 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England Farm Lad George Fisher Step Son Single Male 16 1885 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England Farm Lad Emelia Fisher Step Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England - Edwin Fisher Step Son Single Male 11 1890 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England - Francis Lee Son Single Male 7 1894 Oldcotes, Nottinghamshire, England
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19 Aug 2018 19:13 |
Hi greyghost, yes this is the correct family and you can see why I am so keen to find details of Williams death. The last I have of him is his marriage to Elizabeth which is where I learnt that he was a soldier in the 22nd foot regiment. The birth certificate for Henry Albert Fisher ( B 1881) shows no fathers name!
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19 Aug 2018 19:19 |
Nottinghamshire Marriages Index 1528-1929
First name(s) John Last name Lee Marriage year 1893 Marriage date 06 Feb 1893 Marriage place Harworth & Bircotes Church All Saints Denomination Anglican Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse's last name Fisher County Nottinghamshire Country England Record set Nottinghamshire Marriages Index 1528-192
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Name: Age at Death (in years): Order: LEE, ELIZABETH 46 Order GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in WORKSOP Volume 07B Page 21 Order
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19 Aug 2018 19:35 |
This is the only baptism I can find on either Find My Past - Notts baptisms or on the freereg site for the children. It could be that they haven't been transcribed of course.
I wonder if she was widowed or was saying she was widowed by 1881 and none of the children after that were actually William's? they may just have gone their separate ways.
Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917
First name(s) William Arthur Last name Fisher Birth year 1878 Birth date 29 Dec 1878 Baptism year 1879 Baptism date 26 Jan 1879 Denomination Anglican Church All Saints Baptism place Harworth & Bircotes Father's first name(s) William Father's last name Fisher Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Mother's last name Fisher Residence Oldcotes County Nottinghamshire Country England Notes Born 29 12 1878 Record set Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain Nottinghamshire Family History Society
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19 Aug 2018 19:43 |
for elimination ?? The 1887 death of a William Fisher posted earlier - so not "your William"
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Hen Eggs, Anston cum Membris (York Wr), Worksop, Yorkshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation William Fisher Head Married Male 32 1849 Yorkshire, England Farmer 40 Acres Harriett Fisher Wife Married Female 32 1849 Edensor, Derbyshire, England - Mary Woodcock Mother Widow Female 54 1827 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England -
---------------------- 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Town Wells, Anston cum Membris, Worksop, Yorkshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Harriet Fisher Head Widow Female 42 1849 Derbyshire, England Living On Her Own Means Mary Woodcock Mother In Law Widow Female 64 1827 Derbyshire, England
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20 Aug 2018 08:38 |
If he was in the 22nd foot regiment then was it 22nd (Cheshire) foot regiment then they were in and out of India in 1870's maybe that is where he died.
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20 Aug 2018 11:48 |
Some very interesting information is coming from both greyghost and Mary. Seems that if he died in India then I have hit a brick wall! Thanks to you both.
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20 Aug 2018 12:51 |
Google for 22 Foot regiment - you get amongst others
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Regiment which leads to an amalgamation into
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercian_Regiment
their museum appears to be - Address: Dancox House, Pheasant St, Worcester WR1 2EE Hours: Open 10:30AM - Closes 4:30PM Monday to Saturday Phone: 01905 721982 http://worcestershireandmercianregimentmuseum.org/
you could try contacting the museum to see if they have any information from back then
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20 Aug 2018 13:50 |
??? (no age given, unfortunately)
Source Gro Army Death Indices (1881 To 1955) Archive reference DARM War - Record set British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials First name(s) William Sex Male Last name Fisher Death year 1884 Birth year - Type Armed Forces Country India Place Lucknow Page 313 Registration year - Branch of service - Decoration - Records year range 1884 Line number 117 Archive General Register Office
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20 Aug 2018 18:04 |
Many thanks for this EricaH
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