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Hi everyone, sorry this is a bit long winded!

I have siblings.........

Jane Milicent Masters in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-
Name: Jane Milicent Masters
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 Oct 1835
Baptism Date: 25 Oct 1835
Baptism Place: St Edmunds, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Father: Thomas Masters
Mother: Lydia (Young)


And.......

Thomas Masters in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Thomas Masters
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1841
Baptism Date: 10 Jun 1842
Baptism Place: St. Edmunds, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Father: Thomas Masters
Mother: Lydia (Young)

Jane Milicent married Frederick Rigarlsford (Born 1837 Chelsea) in 1859

Here is Jane and Frederick on the 1871 census and brother Thomas, his wife Ellen and daughter Florence is with them.......


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Evelyn Terrace, Richmond, Richmond upon Thames, Surrey, England

Frederick Rigarlsford Head - Male 33 1838 - Middlesex, E (Cordwainer)
Jane Rigarlsford Wife - Female 35 1836 - Wiltshire,
Thomas Masters Visitor - Male 29 1842 - Wiltshire, (Servant) Married
Ellen Masters Visitor - Female 27 1844 Ireland-- Married
Florence Masters Visitor - Female 0 1871 - Middlesex,


I can't find a marriage for Thomas to an Ellen.

This is the Baptism record for daughter Florence.....

Florence Masters in the Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912.
Name: Florence Masters
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1870
Baptism Date: 15 Oct 1871
Baptism Place: Richmond, St Mary Magdalene, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Richmond
Father: Thomas Masters (Servant) 7 Evelyn Terrace.
Mother: Ellen Masters

There is no birth registered for a Florence Masters in the 4th Quarter of 1871

But maybe....

??

MASTERS, FLORENCE MMN DIER
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 387

If that is the correct birth reg.......i am not seeing a Masters/Dier/Dyer marriage.

Thomas died in 1875...Res: Evelyn Terrace.

I can't find any further information regarding Ellen and daughter Florence after that.

The only information i can find for a Jane Milicent Rigarlsford after the 1871 census, are Electoral Roll records in Canterbury, New Zealand.

I don't have WW subs for Ancestry or FMP......so i wonder if anyone who has, would kindly take a look at those records for me to see if they can discover if it is my Jane Milicent Rigarlsford.

Thank you......Prickles. :-)

Could the Masters/Dier marriage have taken place in Ireland?

Or was either of them already married to someone else?

Rigarlsford Jane Milicent — — 1893 New Zealand Electoral Rolls New Zealand
Rigarlsford Jane Millicent — — 1896 New Zealand Electoral Rolls New Zealand
Rigarlsford Jane Millicent — — 1911 New Zealand Electoral Rolls New Zealand
Rigarlsford Jane Millicent — 1915 1915 New Zealand Death Index New Zealand


Rigarlsford Frederick — — 1893 New Zealand Electoral Rolls New Zealand
Rigarlsford Frederick — — 1896 New Zealand Electoral Rolls New Zealand
Rigarlsford Frederick — — 1911 New Zealand Electoral Rolls New Zealand
Rigarlsford Frederick — 1921 1921 New Zealand Death Index New Zealand

Possibly Erika.

I am quite certain now that the Electoral Roll details for Jane in New Zealand is my Jane.

I found a death record for husband Frederick.....

16 Nov 1921 (aged 84)
Christchurch, Christchurch City, Canterbury, New Zealand

It gives his birth date as 3rd Oct 1837......which is correct.


Frederic Rigarlsford in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Frederic Rigarlsford
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 3 Oct 1837
Baptism Date: 22 Oct 1837
Baptism Place: Saint Luke,Chelsea,London,England
Father: Frederic Rigarlsford
Mother: Emma Margaret

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Florence Masters
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: Florence Masters
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: London
Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical Parish: ST MARKS OLD ST
Registration District: Shoreditch
Residence Note: Paul Street
Gender: Female
Age: 21
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Vellum Sewer
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated): 1870
Birthplace: London, England
Page Number: 12
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 243/ 200
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Lydia L Masters Head Female 58 Somersetshire, England
Florence Masters Daughter Female 21 London, England
Thomas H Masters Son Male 15 London, England
Lilian A Masters Daughter Female 11 London, England
Albert E Masters Son Male 8 Shoreditch, London, England
Lydia M ? Masters Daughter Female 4 London, England

A John Rigarlsford has this tree on ancestry

Jane Millicent Masters was born in 1835 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, the daughter of Thomas. She married Frederick RIGARLSFORD on 6 January 1859. She died in 1915 in Christchurch, Canterbury, having lived a long life of 80 years.

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Name: Jane Millicent Rigarlsford
Death Date: Jul-Aug-Sep 1915
Registration Place: Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2252


Name: Frederick Rigarlsford
Birth Date: 3 Oct 1837
Death Date: 16 Nov 1921
Death Place: Christchurch, Christchurch City, Canterbury, New Zealand
Cemetery: Sydenham Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Sydenham, Christchurch City, Canterbury, New Zealand
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

From familysearch site

Name Frederick Rigarlsford
Event Type Burial
Event Date 1921
Event Place Sydenham, Christchurch City, Canterbury, New Zealand
Photograph Included N
Death Date 16 Nov 1921
Affiliate Record Identifier 171334175
Cemetery Sydenham Cemetery


Name Jane Millicent Rigarlsford
Event Type Death
Event Date 1915
Event Place New Zealand
Age (Estimated) 79
Birth Date 1836
Registration Number 1915/6596

Maybe Ellen went back to Ireland after Thomas's death, taking Florence with her.

There are a few Ellen Masters marriages after Thomas's death in London area, but following through to later censuses - they're not her.

The 1891 census is not the right family, Lydia mn was Quantock, and she had been married to Samuel Masters from earlier census

The 1891 census posted by Malyon is not the right family.
For one thing, the mother's name is Lydia, not Ellen.

These are her children's births:

MASTERS, THOMAS HENRY mms QUANTOCK
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 65

MASTERS, FLORENCE mms QUANTOCK
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 01C Page 648

From Newspapers Past:



Page 9 Advertisements Column 7
Press, Volume LI, Issue 15366, 25 August 1915



Funeral notices:
The friends of Mr Frederick Rigarlsford,
of Belfast, are informed that the Funeral
of his late wife, Jane Millicent, will arrive
at Linwood Cemetery, tomorrow (Thursday)
at 11.15 a.m. GEORGE BARRELL.


Dea x

We do have to be aware here that there is also another Frederick Rigarlsford in the area (would you believe ?????)

Fredk Rigarlsford
New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973
Name: Fredk Rigarlsford
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 08 Dec 1879
Event Place: Canterbury, New Zealand
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Nationality: Middlesex
Occupation: Carpenter
Departure Date: 1879
Arrival Port: Canterbury
Ship Name: Lady Jocelyn
Arrival Place: Canterbury


This one travelled over with a Sarah (aged 33) - he was 36.

Just so we don't get the two mixed up at any stage ;-)

Dea x

Sorry i didn't get back sooner.....unexpected visitors arrived.

Thank you for all the information so far.

I did wonder if perhaps Ellen and daughter Florence went to New Zealand with Jane and Frederick.

Thank you for the Funeral Notice Dea.

Frederick of Belfast? Odd because he was born in Chelsea.

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Belfast is the name of a suburb of Christchurch, New Zealand.

Ah, thanks for that Kucinta.