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Thankyou Argyllgran for all the info on Emma. Yes i did have Frederick, but thank you for all your help.

Maylon thank you. it may be possible he did emigrate.

AustinQ your info. is v. interesting. It could be him, I dont have a copy of the marriage cert., but becoming a boarder, then in the workhouse, would certainly fit the bill very well. Am going to look at these records now. Thank you for finding this.

Sue Sorry for the delay in replying but have been away today.

:-) :-)

The 1881 census gives Fred's place of birth as unknown, occupation bricklayers labourer. Maybe he was a little older than stated in 1881:

1891 census:
Name: Frederick French
Gender: Male
Age: 66
Relationship: Boarder
Birth Year: 1825
Birth Place: Framlingham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: St Matthew
Residence Place: Ipswich, St Matthew, Suffolk, England
Sub registration district: Ipswich Western
ED, Institution or Vessel: 4 Piece: 1466 Folio: 52

Name Age
Charity Rouse 58
Charles Thorougood 44
Charles Manrose 45
William Dack 18
Frederick French 66 Widower, bricklayer
John Miller 67

The same man was in the Union Workhouse in 1901
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Possible death:
Name: Frederick French
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Registration Year: 1902
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 77
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a Page: 551
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Do you have the 1881 marriage certificate? Was he a bachelor or widowed? What was his age and father's name?

Frederick French
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Frederick French
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Toxford, Suffolk, England [Yoxford]
Civil Parish: Eastleigh
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address: 210 Southampton Road, Eastleigh, Hants
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: L and S W Railway Servant
Registration district: South Stoneham
Registration District Number: 100
Sub-registration district: South Stoneham
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 6056
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Batten 72
Sarah Batten 76
Frederick French 31 - son-in-law
Jane Sarah French 33
Lewis Frederick John French 6
Emma Annie Kate French 2
Sarah Jane French 1
Alfred Taylor 31 - boarder


"YOXFORD, a parish in the hundred of Blything, county Suffolk,"
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Yoxford


EDIT:

Oops - just seen your post that you have Fred junior's details!

Frederick & Julia's son Frederick:

FRENCH, FREDERICK mms BLOMFIELD
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in BLYTHING Volume 04A Page 785



Frederick French
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Frederick French
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Ipswick, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Copythorne
Ecclesiastical parish: North Eling St Mary
Town: Winsor
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: New Forest
Sub-registration district: Eling
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 1052
Folio: 77
Page Number: 2
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Gear 51
Eliza C Gear 43
Roland C Gear 11
Frederick French 21 - brickyard potter

Deaths Mar 1949 (>99%)
Holden Emma L 68 Ipswich 4b 999


and her birth:

BLOOMFIELD, EMMA LUCY - (no mms)
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in IPSWICH Volume 04A Page 731

Yes, looks like the right Emma - here she is in 1939 with other daughter Beatrice:

Emma Holden
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Emma Holden
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1881
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 28 Bonington Rd
Residence Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 195
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: TVNZ
Registration district: 213-2
Household Members:
Name
Emma Holden
Beatrice M Holden


???
Marriages Sep 1946 (>99%)
Hammond Herbert J Holden Ipswich 4b 2123
Holden Beatrice M Hammond Ipswich 4b 2123

???

Marriages Jun 1913
French Emma Holden Ipswich 4a 1726
Holden Arthur G French Ipswich 4a 1726

I don't know if that's the right Emma or not, but that couple had two daughters:

Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
Holden Gladys E French Ipswich 4a 1756

Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
Holden Beatrice M French Ipswich 4a 1678



???
Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%)
Holden Gladys E Spalding Ipswich 4a 3256
Spalding Malcolm H C Holden Ipswich 4a 3256


Gladys E Spalding
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Gladys E Spalding
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1915
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 28 Bonington Rd
Residence Place: Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 196
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: TVNZ
Registration district: 213-2
Household Members:
Name
Gladys E Spalding
This record is officially closed.
Michael G C Spalding - 1937


Michael G C married in Suffolk in 1964.


Gladys Emmeline Spalding
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Gladys Emmeline Spalding
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1915
Registration Date: Oct 2000
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Register Number: D27B
District and Subdistrict: 7471D

he could have immagrated

Thank you all for your input. I will check all the info. out. The comment from Argyllgran re Emma French looks as if it could be Freds daughter.

Argyllgran, yes you do read opening post correctly, i have the children, i.e. Frederick Junior being the main one, but i didnt have Emma in 1911. I'm sure that is her.

Bit of a dead end, as unknown could mean anywhere.!!!!!

:-) :-) Sue

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Emma French
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Emma French
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Clement, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Ipswich
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street address: 44 Christchurch Street, Ipswich
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Cook
Registration district: Ipswich
Registration District Number: 213
Sub-registration district: Ipswich Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 10844



But if I'm reading your opening post correctly, you only want to know about Frederick senior after 1891? Not the children?

There is also this birth if Frederick used his middle name-

First name(s) Charles Frederick
Last name French
Birth year 1842
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Webb
District Sudbury
County Suffolk
Country England
Volume 12
Page 470
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Kath. x

There is this one baptised in Norfolk - about 50 miles from Ipswich. On the 1881 census he says his birthplace is not known:-

First name(s) Frederick
Last name French
Sex Male
Year 1840
Event type Christening
Place Welborne
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name French
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name French
County Norfolk
Country England
Film number 1526651
Batch number C02381-9
Batch identification 334838
Record group 12-1179; 2013-10-02 10:00:48; heinerdj
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Record set Norfolk Bishop's Transcripts Baptisms

Kath. x

That Fred who died in 1886 was a baby:

FRENCH, FRED 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in RISBRIDGE Volume 04A Page 319

Dea x

Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
BLOOMFIELD Julia Ipswich 4a 1373
FRENCH Frederick Ipswich 4a 1373
ROGERS Stephen Ipswich 4a 1373
SIZER Harriett Ipswich 4a 1373

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Fred French
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name Fred French
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1886
Registration District Risbridge
County Suffolk
Event Place Risbridge, Suffolk, England
Volume 4A
Page 319
Line Number 94

Fred French
Head

England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1841 England
residence: 1881 Ipswich St Clement, Suffolk, England
spouse: Julia French
children: Robert French, Fred French, Infant French