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Henry Ball was born in Bristol in 1844. I can find him on subsequent censuses with his wife, Amelia and some or all of their eleven children. I can't find the marriage of a Henry Ball to an Amelia. Their first child, George, was born in 1865 in Bristol so I've been looking between 1860 and 1865, although he would only have been sixteen in 1860. On later censuses, Amelia's year of birth is given as 1846 and her birthplace as Bridgwater or Taunton. I think she died in 1928 in Taunton. I've probably missed the obvious, as usual, so can someone please take a peek for me?

Annie

Have you found any of the children's births to show mmn

No, Shirley, they were all born before the mmn was shown.

Annie

Marriages Jun 1865 (>99%)
Ball Henry Kensington 1a 67 Scan available - click to view
Tunks Amelia Kensington 1a 67

Births Jun 1844 (>99%)
Tunks Amelia Kensington 3 321

I can't see a problem with finding census' :

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Catherine Street, St Philip & Jacob Without, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Ball Head - Male 29 1842 - Gloucestershire, England - Painter
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Amelia Ball Wife - Female 28 1843 - Somerset, England -
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George Ball Son - Male 6 1865 - Gloucestershire, England
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William Ball Son - Male 3 1868 - Gloucestershire, England
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James Ball Son - Male 1 1870 - Gloucestershire, England
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Arthur Ball Son - Male 0 1871 - Gloucestershire, England


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Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
Ball Arthur Edwin Clifton 6a 112

BALL, ARTHUR EDWIN HOLE Order
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 112

Andy

Looks like she could have been Amelia Hall

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Name: Amelia Ball
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Henry Ball
Mother: Amelia Ball
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Bristol St Philip and Jacob Out
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address: 62 Richmond St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Barton Regis
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2499
Folio: 57
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Ball 38
Amelia Ball 38
William Ball 14
James Ball 11
Arthur Ball 10
Charles Ball 8
Albert Ball 5
Amelia Ball 3
Matilda Ball 2
Joseph Ball >>>>>>

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BALL, JOSEPH FREDERICK HALL Order
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 126

Thank you, everyone. I found the Amelia Tunks but can't reconcile it with the censuses where she says her birthplace was Somerset. The children's birthplaces are Bristol up to 1887, then Mountain Ash. If that marriage is correct, George was born in Bristol the same year as the marriage in Kensington.

Annie

I think you might have something there, Shirley. I'll look for a Ball/Hall marriage.

Annie

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You can check the GRO now for mmn pre 1911

Which is where I looked for two of the children's births showing mmn was Hall

Births Dec 1843 (>99%)
HOLE Amelia Tavistock 9 479

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BALL, AMELIA LYDIA ANN HALL
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 131

BALL, SARAH ANN MATILDA HALL
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in BARTON REGIS Volume 06A Page 144

Eldest son

BALL, GEORGE JOHN HALL
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 123

Would seem they had children before they married

I think I need to spend the afternoon looking at Halls, Holes and Balls. Thank you again.

Annie

mm - those children seem to be registered with a mmn as Hall

Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)
Ball Henry Gregory Clifton 6a 335
HALL Amelia Clifton 6a 335

Deaths Sep 1902 (>99%)
Ball Amelia 59 Tewkesbury 6a 285

I'm wondering now if I've been looking at the wrong range for the marriage. If that's the marriage in 1874, they had four children before that. Not impossible, I know but I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Annie

I've just found a marriage of Amelia Hall to either Thomas Broom or Nicholas Bennet in Taunton in 1865 so I'm wondering if Henry was her second husband and the first four children were not his. Or am I clutching at straws now?

Annie

Amelia Hall (born c1839) married Thomas Broom. so age too far out for your Amelia

amelia was with Henry on the 1871 census when Arthur was just 1 month old so I would have thought he at least was fathered by Henry

Yes, I've been looking for another marriage for Amelia before Henry but can't see one. It looks like they had four children before they married - or, at least, Amelia did.

Annie