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Does anyone have any information regarding an incident we were told of, regarding a family ancestor, either Sunnucks or Richardson where a couple eloped - he was a Groom, she a member of "well to do" family, possibly connected to Brewery, both working at the castle, Golden Green, Hadlow, Kent. Someone gave chase, the horse bolted, overturning the carriage and the couple were killed. Would imagine the time line would be around the mid 1800's.
Any ideas on this would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks, Maureen

Have you done any research yourself?

Just to save us duplicating.................

If she was from a well-to-do family, is it likely that she would be 'working'?

Just because the two surnames are on the record................


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Kelshers Lane, Hadlow, Tonbridge, Kent, England

Henry Sunnocks Head - Male 28 1843 - Kent, England Transcription Ag Lab
Mary A Sunnocks Wife - Female 30 1841 - Kent, England Transcription
John Giles Step-Son - Male 9 1862 - Kent, England Transcription
Harry Sunnocks Son - Male 2 1869 - Kent, England Transcription
Stephen J Sunnocks Son - Male 4 1867 - Kent, England Transcription
Albert Richardson Boarder - Male 16 1855 - Kent, England Transcription Ag Lab



Do you have any info at all about your ancestors with these surnames?

Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
Giles Mary Ann Tunbridge 2a 815
Sunnucks Henry Tunbridge 2a 815


SUNNUCKS, HARRY GILES
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in TUNBRIDGE Volume 02A Page 567

Thankyou ErikaH!
Yes, have been researching - Henry Sunnucks b 1843 is our relative, he married Mary Ann, formerly Giles, nee Richardson. They lived in Birling, Kent, and their daughter Alice Sunnucks married Albert Harris - my husbands great grandparents. Their daughter Alice Ellen Harris (m Leopold Geoffery Victor Gower), was who told us this story. She died in 1981 and although we researched, we were unsure whether the relative in question was a Harris or a Sunnucks. Last week we visited my husbands uncle, 91, and asked him about this story, and he maintains that it happened at Golden Green, Hadlow, Kent, which would bring us to around Henry's younger days, and probably a Sunnucks or a Richardson.

there is a albert richardson who died aged 18 years



Deaths Dec 1871 (>99%)
Richardson Albert 18 Tunbridge 2a 304

Thanks malyon - Mary Ann Sunnucks nee Richardson did have a brother Albert Richardson, born Hadlow Kent, abt 1855, living there with Henry Sunnucks and her, on 1871 Census, so possible was him? Haven't found him on 1881 actually!

The image of that 1871 census says "brother" for Albert Richardson - not "boarder" as in the FMP transcription.

The Ancestry transcription says "brother".

Are you thinking that Albert may have been the one who eloped and was killed? (Although he'd only an Ag Lab in 1871, not a groom specifically.)

Here's a brewery family in Hadlow in 1871 - Samway, not Lamway - address Style Place:

Joseph Lamway
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Joseph Lamway
[Joseph Samway]
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A Lamway
Gender: Male
Where born: Yalding, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Hadlow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Tunbridge
Sub-registration district: Tunbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 934
Folio: 28
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Lamway 51 - managing brewer
Sarah A Lamway 48 - wife
Mary L Lamway 18 - governess [ Mary Louisa ]
Henry Lamway 17 - brewer
Florence J Lamway 14 - scholar
Lona Anna Lamway 12 - scholar [ Laura Ann ]
Pesia Lamway 10 - scholar [ Kezia ]
William T Clarke 63 - lodger, miller


There's also this family (Kipping), at Gold Hill House:

Charles Ripping
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Charles Ripping
[Charles Kipping]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary S Ripping
Gender: Male
Where born: Hadlow, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Hadlow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Tunbridge
Sub-registration district: Tunbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 114
Piece: 934
Folio: 39
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Ripping 40 - hop grower, 210 acres, 20 labourers
Mary S Ripping 40
Horace Ripping 13
Henry Ripping 11
George Ripping 7
Clara Ripping 6
Sidney Ripping 5
Maria Hewitt 44 - visitor
Ellen S Sickle 21 - servant
Jane Coomber 18 - servant

Neither of the two older Samway daughters died at the same time as Albert.

arriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
BUTLER Arthur James Tunbridge 2a 945
GOLDSMITH Elizabeth Ann Tunbridge 2a 945
SAMWAY Mary Louisa Tunbridge 2a 945 <<<
SMART John Tunbridge 2a 945


Deaths Mar 1875 99%)
SAMWAY Florence Jane 18 Tunbridge 2a 413

The Samways in 1861:


Joseph Samway
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Joseph Samway
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Samway
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Hadlow
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Style Place
Registration district: Tunbridge
Sub-registration district: Tunbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 16
Piece: 495
Folio: 45
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Samway 41 - managing brewer
Sarah Ann Samway 36
Louise Mary Samway 8
Henry Samway 7
Florence Samway 5
Laura Samway 2
Kesea Samway 1/12
Emely Sands 14

Joseph was manager to Mr Henry Simmons of Hadlow, brewer - per probate:

Joseph Samway
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Joseph Samway
Death Date: 6 May 1879
Death Place: Kent, England
Probate Date: 24 May 1879
Registry: Principal Registry


I don't see a Henry Simmons, brewer in Hadlow.


ADDED:

"Another brewery stood at Style Place, Hadlow. This brewery was started in the 1830s by William Simmons, being in partnership with Henry Simmons in 1852 with William Martin joining them by 1855. The business was sold to Messrs Style & Winch of Chatham in 1863. The brewery buildings have been converted to housing and are now known as Caxton Place.[15] The surviving building is Grade II listed.[16]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadlow

Thanks for all that Argyllgran! Loads to think about. Tried finding more about Ellen Sickle and Jane Coomber in case although they were servants, either of them was the one. Got me thinking, Florence would have been 15 in 1871, could it be her? Eloping because under age - Albert died, but maybe she was injured and died 1875?

Possible, Maureen - we'll never know, unless maybe someone can find a newspaper report.


I think this is Ellen's birth (1871 says she was born in London):

Births Dec 1849 (>99%)
SICKEL Ellen Sophia Lambeth 4 275

EDIT:

A tree on Ancestry says she married in Ontario in 1879, to Samuel Munro, had several children, and died in 1924.

Thanks again - yes, must have been reported in a newspaper somewhere. Fingers crossed something comes up.