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6 Aug 2018 14:14 |
Thanks for that Kath although I did have those details. I have the forward details regarding Ann Jane, but my main queries were surrounding Elizabeth. Thank you for taking time for me. :-)
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6 Aug 2018 00:27 |
Ann Jane's baptism - you may already have this of course:-
Record Transcription: England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Ann Jane Last name Spencer Gender Female Birth year 1828 Birth place Holy Trinity, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Baptism year 1828 Baptism date 10 Feb 1828 Place Liverpool County Lancashire Country England Father's first name(s) Thomas Father's last name Spencer Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
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5 Aug 2018 22:49 |
Wow, those were fast replies! Thank you all. I found the 1841 census which said Elizabeth was from Ireland, but the 1861 one says Wavertree which is Liverpool. I have a copy of the marriage entry for 1809 at St Nicholas, but doesn't give any other details. From what I understand Elizabeth was the mother of Ann Jane Spencer who was my 2xgrt grandmother born 1828.
To Kath - the details you have fit perfectly, so thank you. Thank you to everyone else also. :-)
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KathleenBell
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5 Aug 2018 22:03 |
Possible baptism for Elizabeth if she was also from Liverpool (date would be right for the age at death in 1831):=
Record Transcription: England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Ellis Gender Female Birth year 1788 Birth place - Baptism year 1788 Baptism date 09 Mar 1788 Place Liverpool County Lancashire Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Ellis Mother's first name(s) Sarah Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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KathleenBell
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5 Aug 2018 21:46 |
Well spotted Dea - my mistake.
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5 Aug 2018 21:45 |
The 1841 census gives her place of birth as Ireland.
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5 Aug 2018 21:40 |
The Eliza mentioned on the 1841 census above is NOT Elizabeth (nee Ellis) !
The 1st Elizabeth died in 1831:
DEATH: Burial: 24 Aug 1831 Holy Trinity, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Elizabeth Spencer - Age: 43 years Abode: Hawke Street Buried by: M. R. Tetlow A.M. Offg. Minister Register: Burials 1820 - 1836, Page 132, Entry 1049 Source: LDS Film 1656017
Eliza was Thomas's 2nd wife:
Marriage: 18 Jun 1837 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Thomas Spencer - Book Keeper, Liverpool Eliza Gordon - Widow, Same Parish Witness: Thomas Felton; Jane Emblen Married by Banns by: Oliver Ormerod A. M, Curate Register: Marriages 1835 - 1837, Page 292, Entry 2035 Source: LDS Film 93843
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5 Aug 2018 21:39 |
Possible marriage for the parents of the above Elizabeth:-
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First name(s) Thos Frans Last name Ellis Address - Marriage year 1786 Marriage date 16 Apr 1786 Parish St. Catherine's, Dublin City Alternative parish names Meath St., St Catherine's, Meath Street Diocese Dublin Spouse's first name(s) Mary Ann Spouse's last name Sherren Spouse's address - County Dublin Country Ireland Repository National Library of Ireland National Library of Ireland link Register Marriage Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages
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Dea
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5 Aug 2018 21:36 |
How do you know that Elizabeth was born in Ireland please?
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5 Aug 2018 21:34 |
Could this be Elizabeth's baptism? :-
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Ellis Birth year - Baptism year 1787 Baptism date 27 Jun 1787 Parish St. Catherine's, Dublin City Alternative parish names Meath St., St Catherine's, Meath Street Diocese Dublin County Dublin Country Ireland Father's first name(s) Thos Father's last name Ellis Mother's first name(s) Frans Mary Ann Mother's last name Sheeran Repository National Library of Ireland National Library of Ireland link http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633527#page/1/mode/1up Register Baptism Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from Ireland
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5 Aug 2018 21:32 |
EDIT - thanks to Dea we now know that this Eliza in 1841 is Thomas's second wife.
The couple in the 1841 census? :-
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Richmond Row, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Gregory Doyle Male 45 1796 Ireland Mary Doyle Female 35 1806 Lancashire, England Agnes Doyle Female 11 1830 Lancashire, England George Doyle Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England Rosamond Doyle Female 8 1833 Lancashire, England Amelia Doyle Female 5 1836 Lancashire, England Gregory Doyle Male 3 1838 Lancashire, England Thomas Spencer Male 50 1791 Lancashire, England, book keeper Eliza Spencer Female 45 1796 Ireland
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5 Aug 2018 21:30 |
This gives her year of birth as 1788:-
Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905 Transcription
First name(s) ELIZABETH Last name ELLIS Birth year 1788 Marriage year 1809 Marriage date 19 Jul 1809 Parish Saint Nicholas Spouse's first name Thomas Spouse's last name Spencer Bride's age 21 Bride's residence Liverpool Bride's marital status Spinster Groom's age 21 Groom's residence Liverpool, Lancaster, Chester Groom's occupation Book Keeper<<<<<<<<<<<< Groom's marital status Batchelor Place SAINT NICHOLAS County Cheshire Country England Record set Cheshire Marriage licence bonds and allegations 1606-1905 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from England, Great Britain
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5 Aug 2018 21:00 |
2 people on here have a Thomas Spencer b Liverpool - 1794 or 1790. Go to Search top right of page and then search all members trees. Input name, date +/- 5 years. You can try to contact the tree holders by clicking on Find out more and send a message. you'll have to hope they can still receive messages and wish to reply. Say why you think you might have the person in common, don't just ask for them to open their tree.
There is also an Elizabeth Ellis born 1784 Killybegs, County Down too.
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5 Aug 2018 20:53 |
Does anyone have Thomas Spencer born about 1790 in Liverpool and married in 1809 to Elizabeth Ellis born around the same time in Ireland. I have the marriage details but cannot find any thing more about Elizabeth. Thanks for looking.
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