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Has anyone come up with 1939 census where a male member of the family has his name changed??
I have Henry Marr 1895-1948 Manchester England with family
Henry 1894
Mary Wife 1894
Robert 1920 his name has Maher written after
Elsie 1921 she has O'Neill wrote after
Harold 1923 Marr has been written after
I've seen the females name changed because she has married later but not a male

any idea's as to what has happened Henry And Mary Elizabeth married in Sept 1916 It would appear she had a son before she married

Perhaps the record has been amended because Roberts birth was registered with the surname Maher instead of Marr.......

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Maher Robert H Adams Manchester 8d 396


Marr Household (5 People)
9 Churchhill Terrace , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

Henry Marr 20 Aug 1894 Male Labourer (Unemployed) Married 36 1
Mary Marr 01 Aug 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 36 2
Robert Maher (Marr) 13 Aug 1920 Male Labourer (Unemployed) Single 36 3
Elsie O'Neil (Marr) 22 Sep 1921 Female Labourer (Unemployed) Single 36 4
Harold Marr 23 Apr 1923 Male Labourer (Unemployed) Single 36 5

Robert Henry Maher in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Robert Henry Maher
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: 13 Aug 1920
Registration Date: Jun 1982
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 38
Page: 1361

It looks like they were all registered as Maher:


Births Sep 1920 (>99%)

Maher Robert H Adams Manchester 8d 396


Births Dec 1921 (>99%)

Maher Elsie Adams Manchester 8d 395


Births Jun 1923 (>99%)

Maher Harold Adams Chorlton 8c 1336

Robert H Maher in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Robert H Maher
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1943
Registration district: Manchester
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Joyce Hurst
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 269


Joyce Maher (Hurst) on the 1939 Register

Hurst Household (11 People)
14 Herbert Street , Manchester C.B., Lancashire, England

Joyce Maher (Hurst) 02 Mar 1921 Female Laundry Packer & Sorter Single 200 3
William Hurst 21 Apr 1894 Male General Labourer (Incapacitated) Married 200 1
Clara Chandler (Hurst) 06 Jun 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 200 2
Florence M Whiting (Hurst) 12 Aug 1922 Female Laundry Packer & Sorter Single 200 4
William H Hurst 29 Nov 1923 Male Brass Finisher (Fittings) Single 200 5
David D Hurst 18 Apr 1926 Male At School Single 200 6
Muriel Shaw (Hurst) 16 Jan 1928 Female At School Single 200 7
Dorothy S Hurst (Grown) 10 Jul 1880 Female Incapacitated Single 200 8
Joan Mabel Flowers (Bolland,Hurst) 07 May 1933 Female At School Single 200 9
Kathleen C Whiting (Hurst) 24 May 1936 Female Under School Age Single 200 10
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Joyce Maher in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joyce Maher
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1921
Registration Date: May 2002
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register Number: TC67
District and Subdistrict: 0111C

Thank you Not sure what this means change of name some where Hilda's marriage has Marr or Maher yet their doesn't seem to be anything for Henry their father or John Henry's father both named Marr??
The plot thickens to bad I've got to go to a 40th party

Just noticed Joyce Hurst if she married in 1943 she wouldn't be a Maher in 1939

As I say I'll have to look at this properly tomorrow sorry duty calls

Joyce (Hurst) on the 1939 register......indicates that she later married a Mr Maher.

Her maiden name was (Hurst) at the time of the 1939 register.

Which she did in 1943.

All the females in the family are shown with their married names and nee name in brackets. Hurst is the name written originally when the register was compiled. When they married, the surname was updated on the register, as this was now the name they were known as. Some have just M noted in the margins to indicate the change was due to marriage. Others have a date written in. This is not necessarily the date of the marriage, but the date the change of name was made on the register. With the DOB's of most of them there is no way they could have been married by 1939 anyway!

The 1939 register indicates that Elsie Marr/Maher married a Mr O'Neil

Which she did later that year.

Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)
Maher Elsie O'Neill Manchester 8d 807
O'Neill Harry Maher Manchester 8d 807


Elsie O'Neill in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Elsie O'Neill
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: 22 Sep 1921
Registration Date: Sep 1982
Registration district: Tameside
Inferred County: Greater Manchester
Volume: 39
Page: 1507

Is their any chance of finding out who lived at 15 Melbourne St Hulme in 1881 I've got a John Edwin Marr baptism 29 Aug 1880 born 16 Dec 1879 father John a packer mother Ann mothers name is wrong but it might be that their are 2 families ??
Nothing seems to add up one minute their Maher next their Marr

Mis-transcribed as "Mark"

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15, Melbourne Street, Hulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

John Mark Son In Law Head Married Male 23 1858 Hulme, Lancashire, England Packer
Mary J Mark Daughter Wife Married Female 20 1861 Hulme, Lancashire, England Braid Tenter
John E Mark Grand Son Son Single Male 1 1880 Hulme, Lancashire, England -

That is not the full image.......give me a minute to check it out!

Thank you

Can you give me the rest of them if John is son in law then they are living with Mary's parents just to check

This is the full image......

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
15, Melbourne Street, Hulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

Sarah Hansson Wife Head Married Female 39 1842 Hulme, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver Transcription
Emily Hansson Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Hulme, Lancashire, England Small Ware Weaver Transcription
Henry Hansson Son Single Male 12 1869 Hulme, Lancashire, England Scholar Transcription
Edwin Hansson Son Single Male 5 1876 Hulme, Lancashire, England Scholar Transcription
Mary Hansson Mother In Law Married Female 60 1821 Hulme, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
John Mark Son In Law Head Married Male 23 1858 Hulme, Lancashire, England Packer
Mary J Mark Daughter Wife Married Female 20 1861 Hulme, Lancashire, England Braid Tenter
John E Mark Grand Son Son Single Male 1 1880 Hulme, Lancashire, England


MARR, JOHN EDWIN MMN HARRISON
GRO Reference: 1880 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 853-

Henry 1895 is Marr in 1901:


Henry Marr
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Henry Marr
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: John Marr
Mother: Mary J Marr
Birth Place: Hulme, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 60
Neighbors:
Piece: 3708
Folio: 77
Page Number: 24
Household schedule number: 144
Household Members:
Name Age
John Marr 43
Mary J Marr 40
Mary A Marr 16
Henry Marr 6
Robert Marr 1


His father married as Marr:

Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
HARRISON Mary Jane Salford 8d 63
MARR John Salford 8d 63


But his mother dies as Maher:

Mary Jane Maher
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary Jane Maher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 49
Registration district: Chorlton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 370

In case this is of interest to you......

John Edwin Marr in the UK, Military Deserters, 1812-1927
Name: John Edwin Marr
Age: 19
Birth Year: Abt 1879
Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire
Desertion Date: 25 Dec 1898
Desertion Place: Aldershot
Publication Date: 10 Jan 1899
Regimental Number: 5838
Military Corps: 1st Lancashire F

Thank you I tried to get the 1881 census just about to put Hanson in
I'll put all this in my tree I think I'll have to give up on finding out why the children of Henry 1894 son of John & Mary E Adams named their children Maher

Thank you for your help

Sylvia

IF John Edwin deserted as Marr in 1898, is it possible that he changed the spelling of his surname to Maher in an attempt to avoid being caught later on??????

You could just do it back then, tell anyone who needed to know that it was done.

Even in the 1950s and 1960s, it was common to see notices in the Personal Notices in the local newspaper saying "From this dateGeroge Smith wil be known as James George Brown. He will not be responsble for any debts after this date."

Sometimes it would give the actual date of the name change.

That was it ........... no lawyer, no court date, etc etc

It was perfectly legal as long as it was not being done for illegal purposes.


In this case I would suggest that John Edwin just began to live under the name Maher, maybe they moved addresses.

Whichever happened, one or more of the children then began to use the name Maher in every aspect of their life.