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John Osborne and Fanny Jane Stanton

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Yvonne

Yvonne Report 5 Jul 2018 01:11

I'm trying to find the children of John and Fanny. In 1841 census they are shown with children George (1811), James(1829), Emma(1830) and Jane(1835). I can't find any information on these children and I wonder if George could be son of John and Fanny and the other three be children of George because of the big age gap. Is this possible?

I think John was born about 1774 and Fanny about 1779.

safc

safc Report 5 Jul 2018 01:18

????

for info


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Windmill Prospect Row, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Osborne Male 67 1774 Staffordshire, England
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Fanny Osborne Female 63 1778 Staffordshire, England
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George Osborne Male 30 1811 Staffordshire, England
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James Osborne Male 12 1829 Staffordshire, England
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Emma Osborne Female 11 1830 Staffordshire, England
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Jane Osborne Female 6 1835 Staffordshire, England
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Ann Perry Female 32 1809 Staffordshire, England
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George Perry Male 5 1836 Staffordshire, England
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Joseph Perry Male 3 1838 Staffordshire, England
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Arthur Perry Male 1 1840 Staffordshire, England

safc

safc Report 5 Jul 2018 01:37

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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Barley Field, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Fanny Osbourne Head Widow Female 71 1780 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
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James Osbourne Son Unmarried Male 33 1818 Journeyman Iron Caster Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Jane Osbourne Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 Servant Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 5 Jul 2018 01:53

Thanks safc. Looks like I was right about the grandchildren. I'm guessing that James is the brother of George and that the James in the 1841 census is a grandchild.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Jul 2018 03:20

From FMP .........

3 children baptised to John and Fanny between 1790 and 1820.

ANY of them could be the father of the grandchildren


England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Osborn
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1805
Baptism date 25 Mar 1805
Place Walsall
County Staffordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Osborn
Mother's first name(s) Fanny
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975


First name(s) Henry
Last name Osborn
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1807
Baptism date 19 May 1807
Place Walsall
County Staffordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Osborn
Mother's first name(s) Fanny
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975


First name(s) George
Last name Osborn
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1812
Baptism date 01 Jan 1812
Place Walsall
County Staffordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Osborn
Mother's first name(s) Fanny
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975



John and Fanny's marriage???

England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) John
Last name Osborne
Name note -
Marriage year 1800
Marriage date 02 Jun 1800
Marriage place Walsall
Spouse's first name(s) Fanny
Spouse's last name Stanton
County Staffordshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Jul 2018 03:45

It looks as though Ann Perry was daughter of John and Fanny

from GRO Index (free)

PERRY, JOSEPH mmn OSBOURNE
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 255

and it looks as though Arthur Perry was actually 1 MONTH old, not 1 Year

PERRY, ARTHUR mmn OSBORN
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 261

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Jul 2018 09:15

If Fanny was also known as Frances there are other possible children.:

Maria

County Staffordshire
Place (with link) Walsall
Church name (with link) St Matthew
Register type (with link) Unspecified
Baptism date 24 Feb 1803
Person forename Maria
Person sex F
Father forename John
Mother forename Frances
Father surname OSBORN

Ann - later Ann Perry?

County Staffordshire
Place (with link) Walsall
Church name (with link) St Matthew
Register type (with link) Unspecified
Baptism date 26 Sep 1809
Person forename Ann
Person sex F
Father forename John
Mother forename Frances
Father surname OSBORN

Rebecca - mother Fanny

Place (with link) Walsall
Church name (with link) St Matthew
Register type (with link) Unspecified
Baptism date 30 May 1814
Person forename Rebecca
Person sex F
Father forename John
Mother forename Fanny
Father surname OSBOURN
Person abode New St.
Father occupation Curb Maker

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Jul 2018 09:59

Looks like Samuel wasn't the father of those grandchildren as he was having children with wife Caroline:

Name George Osbourn
Gender Male
Christening Date 24 Jun 1827
Christening Date (Original) 24 JUN 1827
Christening Place SAINT MATTHEW,WALSALL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Samuel Osbourn
Mother's Name Caroline

Name John Osbourne
Gender Male
Christening Date 05 Mar 1837
Christening Date (Original) 05 MAR 1837
Christening Place SAINT MATTHEW,WALSALL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Samuel Osbourne
Mother's Name Caroline


Name Richard Osbourn
Gender Male
Christening Date 01 Mar 1829
Christening Date (Original) 01 MAR 1829
Christening Place SAINT MATTHEW,WALSALL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND
Father's Name Samuel Osbourn
Mother's Name Caroline

Census 1841:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Blue Lane, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Samuel Osbourn Male 35 1806 Staffordshire, England
Caroline Osbourn Female 35 1806 Staffordshire, England
George Osbourn Male 14 1827 Staffordshire, England
Richard Osbourn Male 12 1829 Staffordshire, England
Henry Osbourn Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England
William Osbourn Male 6 1835 Staffordshire, England
John Osbourn Male 4 1837 Staffordshire, England
Louisa Osbourn Female 2 1839 Staffordshire, England

Census 1851 with a new wife?:

Green Lane, Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Samuel Osburn Head Married Male 46 1805 Chain Maker E 5 Men Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Louisa Osburn Wife - Female 36 1815 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Richard Osburn Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Coverd Funiture Manuf Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Henry Osburn Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England
William Osburn Son - Male 16 1835 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England
John Osburn Son - Male 14 1837 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Louisa Osburn Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Samuel Osburn Son - Male 8 1843 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
James Osburn Son - Male 6 1845 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Osburn Son - Male 4 1847 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Caroline Osburn Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Jul 2018 10:20

Caroline's death:

County Staffordshire
Place (with link) Walsall
Church name (with link) St Matthew
Register type (with link) Unspecified
Burial date 11 Apr 1849
Burial person forename Caroline
Burial person surname OSBOURN
Person age 43

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Jul 2018 17:12

?????????????Samuel's second marriage?

Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Bradshaw William Phillips Birmingham 16 522
Edens Sarah Birmingham 16 522
>>>>>>>>>>>> Josebury Louisa Birmingham 16 522
Maguire Helina Lodi Birmingham 16 522
>>>>>>>>>>>> Osborne Samuel Birmingham 16 522
Pope William Birmingham 16 522
Restall Ann Birmingham 16 522
Reynolds Thomas Birmingham 16 522

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 5 Jul 2018 17:23

England Marriages 1538-1973

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Osborne
Name note -
Marriage year 1826
Marriage date 14 Aug 1826
Marriage place West Bromwich
Spouse's first name(s) Caroline
Spouse's last name Dewsbury
County Staffordshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973


OSBOURNE, LOUISA mmn TEWSBURY
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 229


OSBOURNE, JAMES mmn TEWSBURY
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 271

OSBORNE, CAROLINE mmn DEWSBURY
GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 275


I think we've worked on this family before!!!!!!

Didn't we find that Caroline and Louisa were sisters?

Yvonne

Yvonne Report 5 Jul 2018 20:25

Thanks everyone. Yes there is another thread, on Samuel Osborne, and yes Caroline and Louisa were sisters. I deliberately didn't add to that thread because I was trying to find out if the children in the 1841 census were actually grandchildren. I had no luck finding them other than in that census.
Thanks for finding the marriage of John and Fanny ... I didn't have that, and I hadn't spotted Ann Perry. You guys are good.