I'm trying to find the children of John and Fanny. In 1841 census they are shown with children George (1811), James(1829), Emma(1830) and Jane(1835). I can't find any information on these children and I wonder if George could be son of John and Fanny and the other three be children of George because of the big age gap. Is this possible?
I think John was born about 1774 and Fanny about 1779.
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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Windmill Prospect Row, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place John Osborne Male 67 1774 Staffordshire, England Transcription Fanny Osborne Female 63 1778 Staffordshire, England Transcription George Osborne Male 30 1811 Staffordshire, England Transcription James Osborne Male 12 1829 Staffordshire, England Transcription Emma Osborne Female 11 1830 Staffordshire, England Transcription Jane Osborne Female 6 1835 Staffordshire, England Transcription Ann Perry Female 32 1809 Staffordshire, England Transcription George Perry Male 5 1836 Staffordshire, England Transcription Joseph Perry Male 3 1838 Staffordshire, England Transcription Arthur Perry Male 1 1840 Staffordshire, England
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Barley Field, Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Fanny Osbourne Head Widow Female 71 1780 - West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Transcription James Osbourne Son Unmarried Male 33 1818 Journeyman Iron Caster Walsall, Staffordshire, England Transcription Jane Osbourne Grand Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 Servant Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Thanks safc. Looks like I was right about the grandchildren. I'm guessing that James is the brother of George and that the James in the 1841 census is a grandchild.
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From FMP .........
3 children baptised to John and Fanny between 1790 and 1820.
ANY of them could be the father of the grandchildren
England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Samuel Last name Osborn Gender Male Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1805 Baptism date 25 Mar 1805 Place Walsall County Staffordshire Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Osborn Mother's first name(s) Fanny Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) Henry Last name Osborn Gender Male Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1807 Baptism date 19 May 1807 Place Walsall County Staffordshire Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Osborn Mother's first name(s) Fanny Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
First name(s) George Last name Osborn Gender Male Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1812 Baptism date 01 Jan 1812 Place Walsall County Staffordshire Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Osborn Mother's first name(s) Fanny Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
John and Fanny's marriage???
England Marriages 1538-1973
First name(s) John Last name Osborne Name note - Marriage year 1800 Marriage date 02 Jun 1800 Marriage place Walsall Spouse's first name(s) Fanny Spouse's last name Stanton County Staffordshire Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
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It looks as though Ann Perry was daughter of John and Fanny
from GRO Index (free)
PERRY, JOSEPH mmn OSBOURNE GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 255
and it looks as though Arthur Perry was actually 1 MONTH old, not 1 Year
PERRY, ARTHUR mmn OSBORN GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 261
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If Fanny was also known as Frances there are other possible children.:
Maria
County Staffordshire Place (with link) Walsall Church name (with link) St Matthew Register type (with link) Unspecified Baptism date 24 Feb 1803 Person forename Maria Person sex F Father forename John Mother forename Frances Father surname OSBORN
Ann - later Ann Perry?
County Staffordshire Place (with link) Walsall Church name (with link) St Matthew Register type (with link) Unspecified Baptism date 26 Sep 1809 Person forename Ann Person sex F Father forename John Mother forename Frances Father surname OSBORN
Rebecca - mother Fanny
Place (with link) Walsall Church name (with link) St Matthew Register type (with link) Unspecified Baptism date 30 May 1814 Person forename Rebecca Person sex F Father forename John Mother forename Fanny Father surname OSBOURN Person abode New St. Father occupation Curb Maker
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Looks like Samuel wasn't the father of those grandchildren as he was having children with wife Caroline:
Name George Osbourn Gender Male Christening Date 24 Jun 1827 Christening Date (Original) 24 JUN 1827 Christening Place SAINT MATTHEW,WALSALL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND Father's Name Samuel Osbourn Mother's Name Caroline
Name John Osbourne Gender Male Christening Date 05 Mar 1837 Christening Date (Original) 05 MAR 1837 Christening Place SAINT MATTHEW,WALSALL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND Father's Name Samuel Osbourne Mother's Name Caroline
Name Richard Osbourn Gender Male Christening Date 01 Mar 1829 Christening Date (Original) 01 MAR 1829 Christening Place SAINT MATTHEW,WALSALL,STAFFORD,ENGLAND Father's Name Samuel Osbourn Mother's Name Caroline
Census 1841:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Blue Lane, Walsall, Staffordshire, England Samuel Osbourn Male 35 1806 Staffordshire, England Caroline Osbourn Female 35 1806 Staffordshire, England George Osbourn Male 14 1827 Staffordshire, England Richard Osbourn Male 12 1829 Staffordshire, England Henry Osbourn Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England William Osbourn Male 6 1835 Staffordshire, England John Osbourn Male 4 1837 Staffordshire, England Louisa Osbourn Female 2 1839 Staffordshire, England
Census 1851 with a new wife?:
Green Lane, Walsall, Staffordshire, England Samuel Osburn Head Married Male 46 1805 Chain Maker E 5 Men Walsall, Staffordshire, England Louisa Osburn Wife - Female 36 1815 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Richard Osburn Son Unmarried Male 22 1829 Coverd Funiture Manuf Walsall, Staffordshire, England Henry Osburn Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England William Osburn Son - Male 16 1835 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England John Osburn Son - Male 14 1837 Chain Maker Walsall, Staffordshire, England Louisa Osburn Daughter - Female 11 1840 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Samuel Osburn Son - Male 8 1843 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England James Osburn Son - Male 6 1845 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Joseph Osburn Son - Male 4 1847 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England Caroline Osburn Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Walsall, Staffordshire, England
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Caroline's death:
County Staffordshire Place (with link) Walsall Church name (with link) St Matthew Register type (with link) Unspecified Burial date 11 Apr 1849 Burial person forename Caroline Burial person surname OSBOURN Person age 43
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?????????????Samuel's second marriage?
Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%) Bradshaw William Phillips Birmingham 16 522 Edens Sarah Birmingham 16 522 >>>>>>>>>>>> Josebury Louisa Birmingham 16 522 Maguire Helina Lodi Birmingham 16 522 >>>>>>>>>>>> Osborne Samuel Birmingham 16 522 Pope William Birmingham 16 522 Restall Ann Birmingham 16 522 Reynolds Thomas Birmingham 16 522
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England Marriages 1538-1973
First name(s) Samuel Last name Osborne Name note - Marriage year 1826 Marriage date 14 Aug 1826 Marriage place West Bromwich Spouse's first name(s) Caroline Spouse's last name Dewsbury County Staffordshire Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
OSBOURNE, LOUISA mmn TEWSBURY GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 229
OSBOURNE, JAMES mmn TEWSBURY GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 271
OSBORNE, CAROLINE mmn DEWSBURY GRO Reference: 1851 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 275
I think we've worked on this family before!!!!!!
Didn't we find that Caroline and Louisa were sisters?
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Thanks everyone. Yes there is another thread, on Samuel Osborne, and yes Caroline and Louisa were sisters. I deliberately didn't add to that thread because I was trying to find out if the children in the 1841 census were actually grandchildren. I had no luck finding them other than in that census. Thanks for finding the marriage of John and Fanny ... I didn't have that, and I hadn't spotted Ann Perry. You guys are good.
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