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30 Jun 2018 19:32 |
Have you a Waite ancestors from the Yardley or Solihull area of Birmingham. I am looking for any descendants of Richard Waite and Mary Ann Cooknell, or their children Louisa, Mary Jane(Rivers/Dark), Annie (Powles), Richard, Enos, Frederick J, Ambrose William (my Grandfather), Martha, Emily (Allen), or George. The Waite family were originally fom Lower Heyford, Oxfordshire before moving to Warwickshire.
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Andrew
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30 Jun 2018 19:39 |
Marriage for place and time
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1868 (>99%) Cooknell Mary Ann Aston 6d 349 Waite Richard Aston 6d 349
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30 Jun 2018 19:41 |
1891 for ref
Name: Richard Waite Gender: Male Age: 46 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1845 Spouse: Mary Waite Child: Richard Waite Eans Waite Frederick Waite Ambrose Waite Martha Waite Emily Waite George Waite Birth Place: Heyford, Oxfordshire, England Civil Parish: Yardley Residence Place: Hay Mills, Yardley, Worcestershire, England Sub registration district: Solihull ED, Institution or Vessel: 11 Neighbors: Piece: 2462 Folio: 87 Household Members: Name Age Richard Waite 46 Mary Waite 42 Richard Waite 14 Eans Waite 12 Frederick Waite 8 Ambrose Waite 6 Martha Waite 4 Emily Waite 2 George Waite 1
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Jul 2018 07:39 |
Try looking in members trees to see if anyone has them listed
You can then try to make contact by sending a message using the find out more box
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ErikaH
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1 Jul 2018 13:07 |
Have you looked for info yourself using freebmd?
That's the best place to try
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ArgyllGran
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1 Jul 2018 13:14 |
Do you already have names and dates of Richard's grandchildren?
Looking at Mary Jane, here are her two marriages for our reference:
Mary Jane Waite in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1937 Name: Mary Jane Waite Gender: Female Age: 19 Birth Date: abt 1872 Marriage Date: 22 Feb 1891 Marriage Place: Bordesley, St Andrew, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Bordesley, St Andrew Father: Richard Waite Spouse: James Rivers
Mary J Rivers in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Mary J Rivers Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1946 Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire Spouse: Alfred Dark Volume Number: 9c Page Number: 1006
However, she seems to have been with Alfred long before they finally married.
Mary Darke in the 1901 England Census Name: Mary Darke Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Alfred Darke Birth Place: Coleshill, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Walsall Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: Piece: 2699 Folio: 114 Page Number: 9 Household schedule number: 61 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Darke 29 Mary Darke 28 Phoebe Darke 2 Week
Pheobe Dark in the 1911 England Census Name: Pheobe Dark Age in 1911: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Walsall Civil Parish: Yardley County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 55 Wroxton Road Yardley Marital Status: Single Registration district: Solihull Registration District Number: 392 Sub-registration district: Solihull ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 18652 Household Members: Name Age Alfread Dark 39 Mary Dark 39 Pheobe Dark 10 William Dark 5 Constance Dark 1
DARK, PHOEBE ELIZABETH mms WAITE GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WALSALL Volume 06B Page 758
DARK, WILLIAM THOMAS mms WAITE GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in SOLIHULL Volume 06D Page 632
DARK, CONSTANCE ETHEL mms WAITE GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in SOLIHULL Volume 06D Page 608
RIVERS, DOROTHY MAY mms WAITE GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 263
RIVERS, JAMES HENRY mms WAITE GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in SOLIHULL Volume 06D Page 610
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ArgyllGran
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1 Jul 2018 13:22 |
There are so many siblings of Mary Jane to follow, and to trace their marriages and children. As Erika says, you can do much of it yourself on FreeBMD, free of charge.
I'll press on with Phoebe for the moment.
Phoebe's marriage:
Phoebe Darke in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Phoebe Darke Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Age: 19 Birth Date: 1900 Marriage Date: 26 Oct 1919 Marriage Place: Yardley, Worcester, England Father: Alfred Darke Spouse: Norman Lawrence FHL Film Number: 1519984 Reference ID: 403 pg 202
Phoebe Lawrence in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Phoebe Lawrence [E Lawrence] Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 18 Mar 1901 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 63 Knowle Rd Residence Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Occupation: Press -hand -metal Schedule Number: 36 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: QBOE Registration district: 384/9 Inferred Spouse: Norman T Lawrence Inferred Children: Ida M G Lawrence Household Members: Name Norman T Lawrence Phoebe Lawrence Ida M G Lawrence (DOB 19/03/1920; married a Mr Church.) [Also one closed record ]
Marriages Dec 1944 (>99%) CHURCH Harry Lawrence Birmingham 6d 514 LAWRENCE Ida M G Church Birmingham 6d 514
Ida may have had two children - a son born Leicester 1949, and a daughter born Solihulll 1953. You can find their names on FreeBMD.
EDIT: No, the boy born in Leicester isn't their child - his parents are another Lawrence/Church couple.
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ErikaH
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1 Jul 2018 13:26 |
Name: Frederick John Waite Registration Year: 1909 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Solihull Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 1012 Records on Page: Name Hannah Elizabeth Chamberlain Ethel Clarke************ James Startin Frederick John Waite
Name: Frederck John Waite Age in 1911: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Sheldon, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Solihull County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Kents Cottages Sheldon Marital Status: Married Occupation: Waggoner On Farm Registration district: Solihull Registration District Number: 392 Sub-registration district: Solihull ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Piece: 18644 Household Members: Name Age Frederck John Waite 27 Ethel Waite 22 Ethel Waite 4/12
?? Name: Frederick J Waite Death Age: 32 Birth Date: abt 1884 Registration Date: Mar 1916 Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 260
Name: Ethel Waite Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1916 Registration district: Aston Inferred County: Warwickshire Spouse: Harry Wilkins Volume Number: 6d Page Number: 1013
Name: Ethel Wilkins Death Age: 42 Birth Date: abt 1890 Registration Date: Sep 1932 Registration district: Birmingham North Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 455
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ErikaH
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1 Jul 2018 13:34 |
1901 Name: Enos Waite Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Birth Place: Kenton Green, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Yardley Search Photos: Search for 'Yardley' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: Hay Mills St Cyprian and Yardley Town: Hay Mills County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Registration district: Solihull Sub-registration district: Solihull ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2922 Folio: 164 Page Number: 41 Household schedule number: 247 William Kateley 50 James H Kateley 4 William Kateley 2 Matilda Kiteley 10 Enos Waite 21 Caroline Waite 21 Arthur Waite 3/12
1939 Waite Household (4 People) 110 Bordesley Green East/9 , Birmingham C.B., Warwickshire, England Enos A Waite 21 Aug 1878 Male Ganger Building Married 274 1 Caroline Waite 14 Sep 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 274 2 Donald G Boswell 17 Apr 1936 Male Under School Age Single 274 3 Donald J Waite 06 Apr 1915 Male On Active Service Single 274 4
Births Jun 1915 (>99%) Waite Donald J (MMN)Kiteley Aston 6d 770
First name(s) DONALD JAMES Last name WAITE Gender Male Birth day 6 Birth month 4 Birth year 1915 Age - Death quarter 1 Death year 1995 District Birmingham District number 0611G Register number G58A Entry number 011 Date of registration mm/yy 0195 County Warwickshire
Births Jun 1936 (>99%) BOSWELL Donald S Waite Birmingham 6d 38
Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%) Boswell Sydney T Waite Birmingham S. 6d 701 Waite Ellen I Boswell Birmingham S. 6d 701
Births Sep 1911 (>99%) WAITE Ellen I Kiteley Solihull 6d 1200
So Donald Boswell is Enos Waite's grandson
First name(s) DONALD SYDNEY Last name BOSWELL Gender Male Birth day 18 Birth month 4 Birth year 1936 Age - Death quarter 3 Death year 1992 District Birmingham Register number 792 County Warwickshire Volume 32 Page 714
First name(s) DONALD S Last name BOSWELL Marriage quarter 3 Marriage year 1961 DONALD S BOSWELL married Angela C Nolan District Birmingham District number - County Warwickshire Country England
Name: Caroline Waite Death Age: 83 Birth Date: abt 1880 Registration Date: Dec 1963 Registration district: Birmingham Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 9c Page: 313
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ArgyllGran
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1 Jul 2018 13:46 |
Possibly the closed record with Phoebe and Norman in 1939:
Births Mar 1923 (>99%) Lawrence Betty O Dark King's N. 6d 112
Looks like she married in Birmingham in 1946.
Her death:
MS Betty Olive Lodge in the England and Wales, Death Index, 2007-2015 Name: MS Betty Olive Lodge Gender: Female Age: 86 Birth Date: 1923 Death Date: 3 Dec 2009 Residence Place at Death: Solihull, Warwickshire, England Postal Code District: B91
Several possible children:
three daughters born Birmingham 1948-52, a son born Birmingham 1954; possibly a son and a daughter born Solihull 1958 & 1963.
Again, you can find their names on freeBMD.
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ArgyllGran
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1 Jul 2018 14:05 |
[Aaagh! GR has just lost my post! I'll do it again.]
The 1954 son of Betty married in Solihull in 1972, and had two children in Solihull 1973 and 1974.
Names on FreeBMD.
The 1973 child (a son) married in Solihull in 2000.
192.com shows that the couple were living in Droitwich 2002-7. The wife is actually listed there until 2009, but her husband probably opted out of the public ER after 2007.
www.thephonebook.bt.com has a possible phone number and Birmingham address - but of course it could be a different person.
And [ PLEASE NOTE ] I can't swear that his grandmother Betty was a daughter of Phoebe and Norman without seeing her birth cert.
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ErikaH
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2 Jul 2018 13:09 |
First name(s) Ambrose William Last name Waite Birth year 1885 Birth parish Birmingham Birth town Birmingham Birth county Warwickshire Birth country England Service number 9282 Regiment Royal Warwickshire Regiment Year 1903 Attestation date 12 May 1903 Attestation age years 18 Attestation age months 2 Attestation service number 9282 Attestation corps 5th R War Regt Document type Attestation Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915 Archive The National Archives
Event Marriage Record set Flintshire Marriages And Banns First name(s) Ambrose William Last name Waite Year 1910 Birth year 1886 Marriage year 1910 Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Catharine Spouse's last name Thomas County Flintshire Country Wales Place Flint Age 24 Marriage date 15 May 1910 Residence - Father's first name(s) Richard Father's last name Waite Spouse Age 19 Spouse's father's first name(s) John Spouse's father's last name Thomas
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription 2 Hill Street Flint, Flint, Flintshire, Wales Ambrose Waite Head Married Male 26 1885 Olton Warwickshire Waggoner On Farm Transcription Sarah Cath Waite Wife - Female 19 1892 Flints Ysfnfiog - Transcription Edith Annie Waite Daughter - Female 1 1910 Flints Ysfnfiog
Death Waite Ambrose W 1884 1935 1935 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
Edith's siblings
Births Sep 1912 (>99%) Waite Doris Thomas Holywell 11b 352 Births Jun 1916 (>99%) Waite Gwyneth Thomas Holywell 11b 339 Births Mar 1920 (>99%) Waite Violet I Thomas Holywell 11b 346 Births Mar 1922 (>99%) Waite Emily Thomas Holywell 11b 344 Waite Richard T Thomas Holywell 11b 345 Births Sep 1927 (>99%) Waite Lily M Thomas Holywell 11b 275 Births Sep 1928 (>99%) Waite Ambrose W Thomas Holywell 11b 272
1939 register
Waite Household (7 People) 42 Fourth Avenue , Flint M.B., Flintshire, Wales
Add to tree View original image Print FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Catherine S (Sarah) Waite 18 Jun 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 76 1 Gwyneth Garth (Waite) 13 Apr 1916 Female Artificial Silk Reeler Single 76 2 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record. Lily M Williams (Waite) 10 Jun 1927 Female At School Single 76 6 Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
So now you know that Lily married a Williams and Gwyneth married a Garth (look for marriages and children on freebmd)
First name(s) AMBROSE W Last name WAITE Birth year 1928 Birth quarter 3 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Thomas District Holywell County Flintshire Country Wales Volume 11B Page 272
First name(s) AMBROSE WILLIAM Last name WAITE Gender Male Birth day 13 Birth month 8 Birth year 1928 Age - Death quarter 1 Death year 1994 District Rhuddlan District number 8111B Register number B92 Entry number 045 Date of registration mm/yy 0394 County Flintshire
First name(s) GWYNETH Last name GARTH Gender Female Birth day 13 Birth month 4 Birth year 1916 Age - Death quarter 4 Death year 1997 District Blackburn District number 5801D Register number D6B Entry number 141 Date of registration mm/yy 1097 County Lancashire
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Susan
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2 Jul 2018 18:58 |
Wow thanks everyone I will print this all off and go through my records to check and update. Will also work through the members page and Free BMD. Thanks everyone once again. The one person I am completely stuck on is Louisa Waite B.1870 who married Edward Skinner after their marriage cannot find a trace of them.
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jul 2018 19:42 |
For our reference;
Lousia Waite in the 1871 England Census Name: Lousia Waite Age: 10 Months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Richard Waite Mother's name: Mary Ann Waite Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham Civil Parish: Northfield Ecclesiastical parish: Church County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Registration district: Kings Norton Sub-registration district: Edgbaston ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 88 Piece: 3084 Folio: 56 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Richard Waite 25 Mary Ann Waite 22 Ellen E Carcknal 3 Lousia Waite 10 Month
Louisa Wayte in the Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 Name: Louisa Wayte Baptism Date: 1 Jun 1870 Baptism Place: Bordesley, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire, England Parish as it Appears: Bordesley, Holy Trinity Father: Richard Wayte Mother: Mary Wayte
Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%) Skinner Edward King's N. 6c 751 WAITE Louisa King's N. 6c 751
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jul 2018 19:47 |
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SKINNER, LOUIE GWENDOLINE mms WAITE GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 268
Louisa Skinner in the 1901 England Census Name: Louisa Skinner [Louisa Waite] Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Spouse: Edward Skinner Mother: Jane Waite Birth Place: Leicester, Leicestershire, England >>>>>>>(Well, maybe not her) Civil Parish: Spitalfields Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Registration district: Whitechapel Sub-registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 05 Neighbors: Piece: 297 Folio: 110 Page Number: 6 Household schedule number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Edward Skinner 36 Louisa Skinner 33 Gwendoline Skinner 9 Dorothy Skinner 5 Edward H Skinner 1 Jane Waite 72 Kate Simper 19
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2 Jul 2018 19:48 |
Louisa Skinner in the 1911 England Census Name: Louisa Skinner Age in 1911: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Manchester, Chester, England >>>>>>>>> (Maybe not her) Civil Parish: Spitalfields County/Island: London Country: England Street address: School House, 49A Brick Lane, Spitalfields, Whitechapel E Marital Status: Married Years Married: 21 Estimated Marriage Year: 1890 Occupation: SCHOOLMASTER ELEMENTARY Registration district: Whitechapel Registration District Number: 18 Sub-registration district: Spitalfields ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Piece: 1456 Household Members: Name Age Edward Skinner 46 Louisa Skinner 43 Louie Gwendoline Skinner 19 Dorothy Evelyn Skinner 15 Edward Harold Skinner 11
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ArgyllGran
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2 Jul 2018 19:52 |
Louisa Skinner in the 1891 England Census Name: Louisa Skinner Gender: Female Age: 23 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1868 Spouse: Edward Skinner Birth Place: Leicestershire, England >>>>> (No, maybe not her) Civil Parish: Christchurch Residence Place: Christchurch, London, England Sub registration district: Spitalfields ED, Institution or Vessel: 4 Neighbors: Piece: 273 Folio: 84 Household Members: Name Age Edward Skinner 26 Louisa Skinner 23 Emily Oakes 31 Mabel Oakes 2
Deaths Jun 1913 (>99%) Skinner Louisa 45 Whitechapel 1c 220
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3 Jul 2018 21:59 |
Thanks for the info on Louisa Skinner had come across the above in my research but because of he wrong mothers name and Leicesteshire place of birth had decided it was wrong. Have tried death records no results. Thought they may have gone abroad but again no luck. Thanks to everyone for their help .
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jul 2018 22:23 |
In spite of the different POB's for Louisa, I don't see any other marriage of an Edward Skinner to a Louisa Waite, and the 1911 census posted above does say they had been married for 21 years, which is pretty close to your Louisa's marriage in 1889.
Also, following the "mother-in-law" Jane Waite back through earlier censuses, there's no sign of a daughter Louisa.
EDIT: Yes there is - in 1871 a child transcribed as Comer is actually Louise on the image.
WAITE, LOUISA mms SEDDON GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 312
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Susan
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4 Jul 2018 15:54 |
Thank you Argyll Gran the problem with the Waites in this generation is that everyone had nicknames Louisa was called "Lady", Mary Jane was "Poll" one of the boys was nicknamed Joe and one Nin so trying to sort out names has been a task. Will have to look into this, I agree with what you say as I couldn't find anyone else that fits will try and do some more research on this many thanks.
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