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I was looking for some info on find my past and some how I got this about john boden/baldwin b in colne 1754, now my 4/5 times g/dad john baldwin was born 1754 and d1829 over the past yaers people some that do this for a living have said how come the baldwins just turned up in harewood h/wood house was built 1750-1790 but there rose garden has walls that are old very old I dug deeper and found there was an other house there gold burough hall or some name like it.

now I know weardley like the back of my hand about40% of baldwins live there I have heard that lord harewood built it for is staff, and about 40% live in harewood the people that live their now some are related to the baldwins.

I got my information from the baldwin family tree on find my past/ ancestry



DEA you could be right I have taken it as ok

MADDIE you areright with what you put on here.but I was told john was b abourt harewood again I haveno proof

ERIKAH I think you are spot on also with henrys burial, As far as I know nothing is proved.

Now from reading your replays I think they both bee married before and john,sally, jenny were part of henrys first marr or part of marys marr.

Now I have to go I have not done with this as yet

kind regards john harper

baldwin part 2
the reason is I understand that mary thornton and henry baldwin marr as I undersand

were marr 26 fed 1795 and as jennyb1756,sally b1759 john b1754 at first i thought they were brother/sister, henry 1738- 1808 mary thornton where was she from what was her birth/death,i do agree with you girls that my gggg dad was b colne and not harewood but why did he came to harewoodi have john baldwin job record he was gardener and also a gentle mans gentle man, now as I understand it as new harewood house was not built till 1780s he must have worked in the old house gold--- hall. and why was he the first baldwin there.Now I have spent a lot of time at weardley school hols an that but that 60 od years ago ,

no one can tell when the first baldwins came I even spoke to Lord Harewood about it 10 years ago and he did not know.

Know henry baldwin 1738-1808 his father was james so can you find out about mary thornton and henrys dad james and is it posable to find henrys first wife, this baldwin tree from john b1754 to my nanna agnes Holroyd baldwin 1878-1968 they are 100s of them ;-)

regards john hope to here more from you

how do get St barthoiomew parish records are the on line

You will find that info on the very first post I put on here - the records, and many others for the Lancashire area can be found here:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Dea x

I feel it might be useful to see the definite 'line' as far as possible


BALDWIN, AGNES HOLROYD HOLROYD Order
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in WETHERBY Volume 09A Page 130

Name: Henry Baldwin
Marriage Age: 40
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1826
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1866
Marriage Place: New Mill, Christ Church, Yorkshire, England
Father: Henry Baldwin - farmer
Spouse: Mary Holroyd
Spouse father: George Holroyd - labourer


1881
Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary Baldwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Harewood, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Weardley
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: Low Weardley
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Blacksmith
Registration district: Wetherby
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4332
Folio: 47
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 56
Mary Baldwin 35
Ruth Baldwin 28
Emma Baldwin 14
Henry Baldwin 12
Sarah H. Baldwin 10
Ada Baldwin 7
Eliz. Baldwin 5
Agnes H. Baldwin 2
George W. Baldwin


Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 14 Oct 1824
Baptism Date: 7 Nov 1824
Baptism Place: Harewood, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Father: Henry Baldwin
Mother: Ruth Baldwin


With first wife

1851
Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann Baldwin
Gender: Male
Where born: Harewood, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Harewood
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Otley
Sub-registration district: Harewood
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Piece: 2284
Folio: 61
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 26
Ann Baldwin 24


Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
Baldwin Henry Otley 23 451
WATSON Ann Otley 23 451

BALDWIN, RUTH WATSON Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in OTLEY Volume 09A Page 113


Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: 1825
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Yardley, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Holbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: Holbeck
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Hunslet
Sub-registration district: Holbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 3364
Folio: 13
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 36
Ruth Baldwin 8
Elizabeth Baldwin 7
Ellen Holmes 66 Servant


Parents and sibling in 1841

Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Harewood
Hundred: Skyrack (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Otley
Sub-registration district: Harewood
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1313
Book: 12
Folio: 3
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baldwin 50 Ag Lab
Ruth Baldwin 55
Ruth Baldwin 20

ALL born Yorkshire

Name: Henry Baldwin
Age: 78
Birth Year: abt 1788
Burial Date: 8 Jul 1866
Burial Place: Harewood, All Saints, Yorkshire, England
Parish: Harewood, All Saints

??????
Name: Henry Bawden (Occ: husbandman)
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Jun 1806
Marriage Place: Adel,York,England
Spouse: Ruth Barron
FHL Film Number: 98497

ERIKAH

thankyou very much, henry baldwin 1788-1866 the son of john [ from colne]18 54-1829.The son of henry1824 -1889,then my g/mum henrys daug1878-1968
the first henry marr ruth baron 1806 at adel ruth d 1845 he remar to Elizabeth Thompson in 1847 n0 children she d 1861 they had 5 children. Henry b 1824 marr ann Watson

1826-1860 she gave him 3 children 2 died young 1 ruth d 1881 from terrible burns

[ she had a fit and fell into the fire], henry 1824-1889 marr mary holroyd1866 and she gave him 10 children one of was my g/mum.
Can you find anything about mary thornton I cant find out anything as she would have used her marr name and not ther maidern name,i have been on famiylsearch. org and found henry and marys wedding,but nothinh about mary as you say shes been marr before so thornton is not her maiden name I did find that henry baldwins 1738 -1808 his father was JAS and nothing else

very kind regards john

TO ERIKAH
what you put on about henrys death I think is right his birth/death are ok 1739 though he could been born late 1738.

MADDIE that long list you put on all the film No are the same I know I am still learning

but what does all this mean I assume its latin,
maria baldwin Filia jacobi baldwin, Parvus filiia, Graia Veepen marsden Parve

Ihave being messing about trying to find there births deaths marr,
all that info you put on Maddie It looks as though there a more kids

kind regards john

John, you ask this:

"but what does all this mean I assume its latin,
maria baldwin Filia jacobi baldwin, Parvus filiia, Graia Veepen marsden Parve"

It means - Maria Baldwin - (youngest or younger) daughter of James (or Jacob) Baldwin and a lady called GraTia Veepen. - born in Marsden Parva.

Here is their marriage (as posted by Maddie on page 1):

Marriage: 3 Feb 1721/2 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancs.
Jacobus Baldwin - Barrowford
Gratia Veepen - Marsden Parva
Register: Marriages 1697 - 1734, Page 100, Entry 9
Source: LDS Film 1471023

Dea x

Sorry John, but as far as I can see, you haven't demonstrated on here that there is a direct proven line from Henry born c1788 to John born in Colne.

Perhaps I'm missing something................

I agree Erika - It is eluding me too.

Dea x

Erikah
hear is my line
me b 1944
George Holroyd 1911-1971 [ my dad] b leeds,george is the son of

agnes Holroyd harper Ne baldwin she marr john harper 1910,

agnes Holroyd baldwin b weardley 1878-1968 is the daug of henry baldwin ,

henry baldwin 1824-1889 is the son of henry baldwin 1788-1866, he is the son of John baldwin

1754-1829,and

henry baldwin is the son of john baldwin 1754-1819


now john was thought to be born harewood now that looks wrong he was born colne

He was the son of henry1738- 1808 b colne

hope that helps, I think this is what you want

john harper

BUT - can you prove any of it prior to Henry (1788)?

You haven't indicated the source of your 'info' about Henry's parentage.

harewood parish records
I can prove it some where this house is henrys death cert for 1866 which also give his age john comes from parish records and besides that I have spent a lot of time walking around them, they are 2 some at harewood church up to early1840 as the church is about 500 yards from the main house No2 the road strait across from harewood gates to Wetherby road called harewood ave about half a mile there is a modern g/yard about size of a football pitch,

and when I was a member of Yorkshire archaeological society I bought a lot of books about 12 to 15, about census I most of west yorks.



When 1 started this I had a friend brian jones who did a lot of work for me I was earning very good money so I paid for what he did, he was a very good genealogist

other than what we a seeking I would put money on if
regards john

You still haven't said how you arrived at the conclusion that Henry's father's name was John.

That's what we're trying to get you to tell us...................

Erikah
because its on ancestry so I put his name in and got his marr to ann brayshaw sept

1776, it also said the name could be boden/ bawden/, also said he was b weardley,1754 and as they are no more baldwins/boden/ bawden in weardley or harewood.

And as you know I have just got this new Iformation, what you have above is about 18 years ago it is my family and most of my relations living there are dead,i have gone through this a 1000 times just to prove to my self its mine.

John had 11 children of which4 died infant I have got all there BMD and there children
there occ,and there deaths I can show you there graves
regards john

Where on Ancestry?

In someone's tree? If so, is it backed up with documents?

There certainly isn't a baptism for Henry 1788 with father John that I can see

If I've missed it, please C&P for everyone's enlightenment. Thanks

Erikah
I have just spent 2 hours going thro my books and on ancestry, and I cannot 100% say
hear is proof,
,henrys 2nd marr to Elizabeth Thompson 1847 at h/wood there marr cert says henrys father is john baldwin this is from the parish records and he is also down in harewood death records of 1829. and while I was try to find the conecton between john and henry I found 2/3 family trees and they had him down. and I think it is on family search.
As well as that harewoods arcavist told me that as well, and I know there is not a baldwin in harewood before john he had 11 children and apart from William,margaret,james, they all lived a few more years.

kind regards john

This is the marriage you mean, John ?
There's no mention of Harewood.

Henry Baldwin
in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Name: Henry Baldwin
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1847
Marriage Place: Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Leeds, St Peter
Father: John Baldwin
Spouse: Elizabeth Thompson

Henry's a widower, and labourer.
Address: Made (?? Wade ) Lane.
Father: John Baldwin, labourer.

Elizabeth's a widow.
Address: Chatham Street
father: Thomas Smithson, farmer.

Marriage took place "in the parish church, in the parish of Leeds".

Witnesses: Henry Lazenby and Ann Lazenby.

Henry Lazenby signed; Ann and the bride and groom made their marks.


EDIT:
And I'm totally confused! I have no idea which Henry Baldwin we're talking about now!

Now we're getting somewhere! Thank you

What was John's occupation said to be on the marriage cert?