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Mary Ann Edwards, Liverpool.

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2018 14:12

In which case - young Ruth's birth:

EDWARDS, RUTH mms JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 9

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2018 14:30

Marriages Sep 1859 (>99%)
**** Edwards Thomas Liverpool 8b 207
**** Johnson Ruth Liverpool 8b 207

Pinnell Richard James Liverpool 8b 207
Slater Lavinia Liverpool 8b 207

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Name: Ruth Johnson
Gender: Female
Age: 18
Address:- Burlington Street
Birth Year: abt 1841
Marriage Date: 4 Jul 1859
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St John, Lancashire, England
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Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Father: James Johnson
Occupation:- Steward
Spouse: Thomas Edwards

Name: Thomas Edwards
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Year: abt 1832
Occupation:- Butcher
Marriage Date: 4 Jul 1859
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St John, Lancashire, England
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Father: William Edwards
Occupation:- Farmer
Address:- Stanhope Street
Spouse: Ruth Johnson

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2018 14:32

Thomas is a widower in 1891, but I don't see Ruth's death, at least not in Lancashire.

Don't see Mary Ann's birth, nor Sarah Jane's - just SJ's baptism.

Catherine

Catherine Report 22 Jun 2018 14:34

1861

Name: Ruth Edwards
[Ruth Johnson]
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: 1842
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Johnson
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alban
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 2652
Folio: 59
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
James Johnson 65 - Cook
Jane Johnson 49

*******Ruth Edwards 19

Charles Cornwall 23
Christena Cornwall 21
Mary Elizabeth 3/12

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2018 14:48

The Thomas Edwards at sea in 1901, posted by Catherine, I suspect is the one we looked at initially, married to Margaret.

Master pilot, and married.

Susan

Susan Report 22 Jun 2018 17:20

So grateful for all this help. To answer Dea's Question: Witnesses at wedding Thomas Johnson and Mary Watts. My sister and I have been looking into the Dietman/Farmer connection but as yet cannot link Martha to Mary. The Sarah Jane Ruth Edwards we also agree with. Sarah is a name used by Mary Ann for one of her children. Marys Anns daughter Frances (my grandmother) also named one of her children Ruth, so could tie in. I was hoping there was some sort of Seamans book that would have details of family in it, but other than vessels and their crews haven't found any information (except for David Fernie). We had starting putting in some of these details into our tree a few months back, but then stopped as we didn't want to go down the wrong track, I think the Graves family tree has taken that info which we have since deleted. Once again thanks everyone will keep on researching.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Jun 2018 18:20

Re the "cousin" question in 1881 and 1891 -
it may not mean actually "cousin".
Thomas and Ruth are both described as "cousin".

John Dittman / Deithman is also a mariner. Maybe he and his family were just close friends of Thomas & Ruth, and happy to act as unofficial foster parents/guardians for Ruth - possibly after her mother's death, though we don't know when that was, or possibly if Ruth was away at sea with Thomas.