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He's also listed as a spectacle maker in 1905, though no address given:


William Daniel Harding
in the London, England, City Directories, 1736-1943
Name: William Daniel Harding
Residence Date: 1905
Residence Place: London, England
Occupation: Spectacle Makers



I wonder if this is him ? Resigned December 1890 - "Defaulter".

William Daniel Harding
in the England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
Name: William Daniel Harding
Gender: Male
Initiation Date: 1885
Year Range: 1887-1909
Lodge: Empire Lodge
Lodge Number: 2108
Folio Number: 189

From a Google search:

Empire No.2108
Freemasons' Hall
60 Great Queen Street
London
WC2B 5AZ
Founded 1885

In the divorce petition, one of the addresses at which Maud & William had lived during their marriage was 12 Hyde Park Mansions.


William's still living there in 1904:

William Daniel Harding
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: William Daniel Harding
Year: 1904
County or Borough: City of London
Ward or Division/Constituency: London
Street address: 12 Hyde park mansions


However, he doesn't seem to be there in 1911.


In 1904, the page of names and addresses is headed "Spectacle makers" ????
Also in other years, including 1901, though I can't see him on the 1901 census.

William's occupation is surveyor at 1881 census, and auctioneer at marriage.

Re the divorce petition -

the image on Ancestry says "Petition filed 1 May 1890. Dismissed 16 June 1890".

It was dismissed "upon hearing the solicitor for the petitioner."

No reason given for dismissal - presumably Maud changed her mind.


On 2 December 1889 it was ordered that the petitioner (Maud) be appointed Guardian of Dorothy during her minority.

Between 1884 and 1890, William committed adultery with several women on various occasions.

William left Maud in Feb 1888, and he had then lived separately from her and "deserted her without reasonable excuse for 2 years and upwards."

EDIT:
Oh, Nicola has already posted this while I was typing.

The petition for divorce was filed on 1st May 1890 and dismissed on 16th June same year. Petitioner was our gal on grounds of adultery.

So Greyghost's hunch was correct - as usual!

And I think that the muddle with the 'Stewart' is indeed a mistaken interpretation that she might have had a double-barrelled surname.

Well done to all and many thanks.

Going back to Maddie's earlier post re Herberts probate 1923

Probate to Maud Ada Magdelen Harding, WIFE of William Daniel Harding. It specifically says WIFE of ...................... Do you know when he died?

Again, we don't know what records you have -

Divorce Index Transcription

First name(s) William Daniel
Last name Harding
Title -
Petition year 1890
Party number 2
Country England & Wales

the image says Harding (Maud Ada) v H (William Daniel)

This is a Petition but did they actually divorce, it might be the reason Herbert and Maud didn't marry if she was still married?

Her probate says Harding or Cundell. If she was known as Cundell then the record would reflect that but also her actual name.

As for the Stewart Cundell, I just wonder if his surname was sometimes mistakenly thought to be Stewart-Cundall?

I think that the fact that the faithful servant Mary Austin is with the Cundell couple in 1911 is looking very positive that this has indeed been cracked.

What a revelation in many ways - just as you think a post is going to be an innocent [?] sounding query, a whole can of worms opens up. The joys of family history!!

Wonder why they never married?

Many, many thanks to you all. :-D :-D

Just following Grace through in the absence of anything better to do

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Vemeira Place, 1, Stopford Road, St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Edward Percy Hicks Head Married Male 38 1843 (Cuttack?)East Indies Retired Capt H M 'S Infantry British subject)
Grace G Hicks Wife Married Female 29 1852 Fermanagh, Ireland Retired Captains Wife
Edward G S Hicks Son Single Male 10 1871 St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands -
Percy S Hicks Son Single Male 9 1872 St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands (Scholar)
Stanley F Hicks Son Single Male 2 1879 St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands -
Elizabeth Fordham Servant Single Female 33 1848 Limerick, Limerick, Ireland Domestic Servant

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Victoria Road Trinity Terrace, Aldershot, Farnham, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Percy Hicks Head - Male 28 1843 Army Lieutenant- India
Grace G Hicks Wife - Female 20 1851 - Ireland
Edward G S Hicks Son - Male 0 1871 - Channel Islands, England
Isabella Robertson - - Female 27 1844 - Scotland
Jannette Mark - - Female 14 1857 - Kent, England


Army Lists - to Captain 30.9.1874

Still there in 1923, but Herbert's not listed with her;

Maud Ada Cundell
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Maud Ada Cundell
Year: 1923
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington
Street address: Aubrry Walk


EDIT:
Oh yes, he died that year.

Maud Ada Madeline Cundell
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Maud Ada Madeline Cundell
Year: 1920
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington

With Herbert Stewart Cundell, at 2 Aubrey Walk.

Also listed as Maud Ada Madeline Stewart Cundell.

? Grace Gertrude as Lardner, previously Hicks and Mother Jane "Seyman" - looks to be Seymour on original. Grace said to be born County Fermanagh and Jane Halifax, Nova Scotia on original. Was this an Army family? Not that it's pertinent to Maud!

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Victoria Street, Westminster, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John J Lardner Head Married Male 33 1858 London, Middlesex, England Wine Merchant
Grace G Lardner Wife Married Female 40 1851 Ireland -
Percy S Hicks Stepson Single Male 19 1872 Jersey, Channel Islands -
Stanley F Hicks Stepson Single Male 14 1877 Jersey, Channel Islands -
Jane Seyman Mother In Law Widow Female 65 1826 Canada Living On Own Means
Jane Skinfield Servant Single Female 25 1866 Buckinghamshire, England General Servant Domestic
Mary A Moore Servant Single Female 44 1847 Wiltshire, England General Servant Domestic

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)
Cundell Grace G 52 Kensington 1a 89

Would Grace Gertrude Lardner/Hicks be Grace Gertrude Seymour originally (Note Mother in laws name)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Aubrey Walk, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
H Stewart Cundell Head Married Male 51 1850 London, Middlesex, England Insurance Sub Manager
Grace Cundell Wife Married Female 49 1852 Ireland -
Jane Seymour Mother-In-Law Widow Female 76 1825 Canada -
Emma Rugg Servant Single Female 30 1871 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Serv Domestic
Jane Rugg Servant Single Female 38 1863 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England -

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
CUNDELL, HERBERT STEWART MUNBY Order
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in KENSINGTON PADDINGTON AND FULHAM Volume 03 Page 350 Order

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) HERBERT STEWART
Last name CUNDELL
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1899
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HERBERT STEWART CUNDELL married one of these people
Grace Gertrude Lardner, Grace Gertrude Hicks, Esther Green
District Kensington
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Volume as transcribed 1A
Page number 409

can't find a marriage, only his previous one in 1899

An Ancestry tree sights the 1911 census as proof of a marriage of Herbert to Maud A Davies in 1905 i.e. married 6 years

That same tree also has a 1920 ER showing Herbert Stewart Cundell and Maud Ada Madeline Stewart Cundell at 2 Aubrey Walk (Holland Ward, Kensington and Chelsea)

If his probate names her as Maud Harding and describes her as wife of William Daniel Harding, did Herbert and Maud actually marry?

go to search- public member trees
i don't think they ever married

Cox Family Tree
Public Member Tree
8 attached records, 8 sources Herbert Stewart Cundell
Birth: April 1850 (Apr 1850) - London
Death: 17 Apr 1923 - London, England
Marriage: 1905 - London
Spouse: Grace Gertrude Seymour
[Maud Ada Davies]

Odd that her second married name is Cundell but her probate records give her surname as her previous married name of Harding??? And where could the 'Stewart' fit in!!

Very grateful so far, but somewhat puzzled.
:-S :-S

How do I access a Tree on ancestry to look at the above suggestion? I have a sub to ancestry but it only asks me to start a new tree myself …………..

she died in Belguim in 1942 in the middle of the war
perhaps some consular records exhist in belguim