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there is a marriage to herbert stuart cundell apparentley in 1905

1911 England Census

Name Madeleine Cundell
Age in 1911 50
Estimated Birth Year abt 1861
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Birth Place Minster
Civil parish St Margaret and St John
Search Photos St Margaret and St John, London, England
County/Island London
Country England
Street Address 29 Carlisle Mansions, Westminster
Marital Status Married
Years Married 6
Estimated Marriage Year 1905
Registration district St George, Hanover Square
Registration District Number 5
Sub-registration district St Margaret and St John
ED, institution, or vessel 23
Piece 488
Household Members
Name Age
Herbert Stewart Cundell 61
Madeleine Cundell 50 born westminster
Mary Austin 52
Annie Elizabeth Perk 22


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
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Name Maud Ada Magdalen Harding
Death Date 11 Jan 1942
Death Place London, England
Probate Date 29 Jun 1942
Registry Llandudno

says maud ada magdelen harding or cundell maud stewart or cundell maud ada stewart of the ecceslston hotel eccleston sq london sw 1 widow
died at rue prince royal brussels belguim probate to westminster bank
effects £7643 9s 2d

however the incusion of the name magdelen throws me

i don't what anybody else thinks

cracked it i hope

herberts probate
died april 1923
probate to maud ada magdelen harding, wife of william daniel harding
effects £1155 17s 3d

Herbert Stewart Cundell

in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
View England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995

Name: Herbert Stewart Cundell
Death Date: 17 Apr 1923
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 11 May 1923
Registry: London, England

Herbert Stewart Cundell

in the London, England, City Directories, 1736-194

Name: Herbert Stewart Cundell
Residence Date: 1910
Street address: 29 Carlisle place
Residence Place: London, England

maud ling at same address in 1905 as posted above

Yes, to all your clever searches. This is all information we already have and know. Dear little Ruth died at four days old. :-(

Robert Hervey died and was buried in Montreux; we have all that from previous research. His very young widow returned to England and remarried to a widower Sydney Hawken, etc., etc.


My post above timed at 12.18 looking for the Death Registration details for Maud Ada Harding - can you help, please?

NicolaS - you might know everything there is to know about the family, but unfortunately we don't. By comparing census, names etc, it would appear we have the answer for you to the question you originally asked - even though it's taken an hour or so.

This lass is a Servant with Maud in 1891 and the family in 1901 and looks to be with "Madeleine" in 1911 and the Carlisle Mansions address is the same.

Well done Maddie for bringing it all together.

1891 - Mary Austin Servant Single Female 32 1859 Kent, England Maid
1901 - Mary Austin Servant Single Female 43 1858 Erith, Kent, England Cook Domestic

she died in Belguim in 1942 in the middle of the war
perhaps some consular records exhist in belguim

How do I access a Tree on ancestry to look at the above suggestion? I have a sub to ancestry but it only asks me to start a new tree myself …………..

Odd that her second married name is Cundell but her probate records give her surname as her previous married name of Harding??? And where could the 'Stewart' fit in!!

Very grateful so far, but somewhat puzzled.
:-S :-S

go to search- public member trees
i don't think they ever married

Cox Family Tree
Public Member Tree
8 attached records, 8 sources Herbert Stewart Cundell
Birth: April 1850 (Apr 1850) - London
Death: 17 Apr 1923 - London, England
Marriage: 1905 - London
Spouse: Grace Gertrude Seymour
[Maud Ada Davies]

An Ancestry tree sights the 1911 census as proof of a marriage of Herbert to Maud A Davies in 1905 i.e. married 6 years

That same tree also has a 1920 ER showing Herbert Stewart Cundell and Maud Ada Madeline Stewart Cundell at 2 Aubrey Walk (Holland Ward, Kensington and Chelsea)

If his probate names her as Maud Harding and describes her as wife of William Daniel Harding, did Herbert and Maud actually marry?

can't find a marriage, only his previous one in 1899

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
CUNDELL, HERBERT STEWART MUNBY Order
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in KENSINGTON PADDINGTON AND FULHAM Volume 03 Page 350 Order

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) HERBERT STEWART
Last name CUNDELL
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1899
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HERBERT STEWART CUNDELL married one of these people
Grace Gertrude Lardner, Grace Gertrude Hicks, Esther Green
District Kensington
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Volume as transcribed 1A
Page number 409

Would Grace Gertrude Lardner/Hicks be Grace Gertrude Seymour originally (Note Mother in laws name)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
2, Aubrey Walk, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
H Stewart Cundell Head Married Male 51 1850 London, Middlesex, England Insurance Sub Manager
Grace Cundell Wife Married Female 49 1852 Ireland -
Jane Seymour Mother-In-Law Widow Female 76 1825 Canada -
Emma Rugg Servant Single Female 30 1871 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Serv Domestic
Jane Rugg Servant Single Female 38 1863 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England -

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

Deaths Sep 1903 (>99%)
Cundell Grace G 52 Kensington 1a 89

? Grace Gertrude as Lardner, previously Hicks and Mother Jane "Seyman" - looks to be Seymour on original. Grace said to be born County Fermanagh and Jane Halifax, Nova Scotia on original. Was this an Army family? Not that it's pertinent to Maud!

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Victoria Street, Westminster, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John J Lardner Head Married Male 33 1858 London, Middlesex, England Wine Merchant
Grace G Lardner Wife Married Female 40 1851 Ireland -
Percy S Hicks Stepson Single Male 19 1872 Jersey, Channel Islands -
Stanley F Hicks Stepson Single Male 14 1877 Jersey, Channel Islands -
Jane Seyman Mother In Law Widow Female 65 1826 Canada Living On Own Means
Jane Skinfield Servant Single Female 25 1866 Buckinghamshire, England General Servant Domestic
Mary A Moore Servant Single Female 44 1847 Wiltshire, England General Servant Domestic

Maud Ada Madeline Cundell
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Maud Ada Madeline Cundell
Year: 1920
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington

With Herbert Stewart Cundell, at 2 Aubrey Walk.

Also listed as Maud Ada Madeline Stewart Cundell.

Still there in 1923, but Herbert's not listed with her;

Maud Ada Cundell
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Maud Ada Cundell
Year: 1923
County or Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Ward or Division/Constituency: Kensington
Street address: Aubrry Walk


EDIT:
Oh yes, he died that year.

Just following Grace through in the absence of anything better to do

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Vemeira Place, 1, Stopford Road, St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Edward Percy Hicks Head Married Male 38 1843 (Cuttack?)East Indies Retired Capt H M 'S Infantry British subject)
Grace G Hicks Wife Married Female 29 1852 Fermanagh, Ireland Retired Captains Wife
Edward G S Hicks Son Single Male 10 1871 St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands -
Percy S Hicks Son Single Male 9 1872 St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands (Scholar)
Stanley F Hicks Son Single Male 2 1879 St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands -
Elizabeth Fordham Servant Single Female 33 1848 Limerick, Limerick, Ireland Domestic Servant

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Victoria Road Trinity Terrace, Aldershot, Farnham, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Edward Percy Hicks Head - Male 28 1843 Army Lieutenant- India
Grace G Hicks Wife - Female 20 1851 - Ireland
Edward G S Hicks Son - Male 0 1871 - Channel Islands, England
Isabella Robertson - - Female 27 1844 - Scotland
Jannette Mark - - Female 14 1857 - Kent, England


Army Lists - to Captain 30.9.1874

I think that the fact that the faithful servant Mary Austin is with the Cundell couple in 1911 is looking very positive that this has indeed been cracked.

What a revelation in many ways - just as you think a post is going to be an innocent [?] sounding query, a whole can of worms opens up. The joys of family history!!

Wonder why they never married?

Many, many thanks to you all. :-D :-D

Going back to Maddie's earlier post re Herberts probate 1923

Probate to Maud Ada Magdelen Harding, WIFE of William Daniel Harding. It specifically says WIFE of ...................... Do you know when he died?

Again, we don't know what records you have -

Divorce Index Transcription

First name(s) William Daniel
Last name Harding
Title -
Petition year 1890
Party number 2
Country England & Wales

the image says Harding (Maud Ada) v H (William Daniel)

This is a Petition but did they actually divorce, it might be the reason Herbert and Maud didn't marry if she was still married?

Her probate says Harding or Cundell. If she was known as Cundell then the record would reflect that but also her actual name.

As for the Stewart Cundell, I just wonder if his surname was sometimes mistakenly thought to be Stewart-Cundall?