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Challinger/Rigney Info Please

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Stephen

Stephen Report 14 Jun 2018 00:07

Ok thanks i did have a bit of a look at the book when he put the link on and i have saved it to my favorites thanks again all for the help you all have given me.
Jill

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Jun 2018 16:14

From that very long link posted by alviegal, the book is:

Ngarrindjeri Wurruwarrin: A World that Is, Was, and Will be
By Diane Bell

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EDIT:

Several copies on eBay, as at today's date

alviegal

alviegal Report 13 Jun 2018 11:59

According to the books, Isabella had Ben and Ted (Edward) with a white man (Benjamin Challenger). She married a Lionel Campbell before Philip Rigney then eloped with Jimmy Rankin.
Only one book mentions Lionel Campbell whilst another has Rigney as her first husband and Rankin as her second. There are pictures of some of these people but you need to purchase the books to see them.
Also known as Isabella Multjung or Mutjuli.

Stephen

Stephen Report 13 Jun 2018 08:09

Thanks for that info i will read it all many thanks
Jill

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 13 Jun 2018 06:41

As I said before- I don't think Isabella was married to Benjamin- although, it looks as though she did have children with him.

Birth:
name(s) Edward Multulle
Gender Male
Birth date 19 Apr 1876
Place Melrose
District Frome
State South Australia
Father's name(s) Benjamin Challinger
Mother's name(s) Isabella Multulle
Notes A cross-reference entry is recorded for another name
Registration number 166/147
Cross reference See also: CHALLINGER Edward Multulle
-------------------------------

Listed as spinster on her marriage:

Marriage Transcription:

name(s) Isabella Mutyuli
Marital status Single/spinster
Age 22
Birth year 1855
Marriage year 1877
Marriage date 25 Jun 1877
Place Mission Church Point Macleay
District Wellington
State South Australia
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Spouse's name(s) Philip Rigney
Spouse's marital status Single/Spinster
Spouse's age 26
Spouse's birth year 1851

Stephen

Stephen Report 13 Jun 2018 02:12

Yes Isabella married twice one was to Phillip Rigney and one was to Benjamin.
Jill

Stephen

Stephen Report 12 Jun 2018 23:49

Thanks Austin very interesting i have some sorting out to do many thanks
Jill

alviegal

alviegal Report 12 Jun 2018 16:56

This book has some very fascinating information in it.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZMlJegVzUd8C&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=isabella+rigney,+australia&source=bl&ots=Xy6710bA2V&sig=5zUh12Tc7tQ-mmz30Z8qCp9eo1U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5kcqcvc7bAhVJVsAKHdniCEoQ6AEIUDAM#v=onepage&q=isabella%20rigney%2C%20australia&f=false


and these 2 books are found by googling Benjamin Challenger, Australia.


A World that was: The Yaraldi of the Murray River and the Lakes, ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0774804785
Ronald Murray Berndt, ?Ronald M. Berndt, ?Catherine Helen Berndt - 1993 - ?Preview - ?More editions
The Yaraldi of the Murray River and the Lakes, South Australia Ronald Murray Berndt, Ronald M. Berndt, Catherine Helen ... 551 Chalker, Charlie, 249-50, 470 Challenger, Benjamin (see Rigney, Benjamin) Challenger, Benjamin senior (706), ...


Fresh Evidence, New Witnesses: Finding Women's History - Page 266
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IGsqAAAAYAAJ
Margaret Ellen Allen, ?Mary Hutchison, ?Alison Mackinnon - 1989 - ?Snippet view
Phillip was born in Western Australia and was probably a member of the Minang tribe. ... When she read the documents about Mutyuli's early years in service and her seduction by Benjamin Challenger, Doreen cried. She too went out to work ...

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 12 Jun 2018 15:16

Fabulous description of Samuel's life, and a great photo attached: https://trove.nla.gov.au/

The Register (Adelaide, SA)
Sat 20 Oct 1923

AN OLD NORTHERN IDENTITY.
Mr. Samuel Challenger.
One of the most widely known and highly
esteemed residents ot the north, now - livlnsgin
retirement at Melrose, is Mr. Samuel Challen
ger, who has been closely identified with the
town and district- since 1866. . This fine -old
colonist was born in Sheffield in 1841. His
father, Mr. Benjamin Challenger, was a boot
maker in the homeland, but the call of Aus
tralia made such an appeal to him that he
embarked from Liverpool on the ship Hibernic,
and landed at Melbourne in 1852. After about
12 months in Victoria, the family removed to
South Austalia. Mr Samuel' Challenger's
first occupation in this State was that of bul
lock driving for Mr. George Yates of Hack
ham. Then he joined his father in the boot
making trade, and afterwards removed to
Auburn, where he worked on the farms of Messrs.
John Place and Brown ' Brothers. He after
wards branched out on his own account with
a team of bullocks, in carting ore from the
Bum copper mines to Port Wakefield, taking
coal as back loading. The family -decided to
go north to Port Augusta. On arrival at
Crystal Brook with their teams, with the in
tention, of proceeding to the head of the gulf
by the route west of the Flinders Range in-
formation of scarcity of water caused them to
turn aside and pass through the Booyoolie Es
tate, and the sites of the present towns of Laura
and Wirrabara to Mount Remarkable. Drought
conditions in the far north made him turn his
attention to the lower north, and for some time
he utilized his team in carting from Canowie
Station to Port Wakefield. and in taking slabs
and logs to the Burra Mine. In I865 he mar
ried Miss Ann Bacon (daughter of Mr Henrv
Bacon, of Spring Farm, Melrose) who 'was one
of the earliest of south Australia's colonists).
Mr. Challenger took up land in the Melrose
district from the late Hon. J. H. Angus. and
commenced farming: and although advancing
vears have compelled him to cease active par
ticipation to famiing, grazing-, or pastoral pur
suits, he still retains his interest in these ope
rations. He has alwavs had the welfare of
the town and district at heart. As Councillor
for Woniryarra Ward, in the district Council
of Port Germein, of which body he was Chair
man for several turns,- he rendered good ser
vice to the town and district -of Melrose. He
has held official positions in practically all the
organizations of the town, and was for many
years President of the ' Frome Jockey CIub,
and was the first President of the 'Mount Re
markable Agricultural Society. ' Mr. Challenger
is a foundation member of the Mount Remark
able Masonic Lodge, having joined the order aa
a member of the Areas (Laura) Lodge. His
wife died a few years ago.. Two of his sons,
Messrs. F. Challenger and H. E. Challenger,
reside in the same district. The former is a
farmer, and the latter is licencee- of the North
Star Hotel, Melrose. ... -

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 12 Jun 2018 14:25

Death of Benjamin's wife:

South Australian Register
Fri 20 Sep 1878

DEATH.
CHALLENGER.— On tho 30th August, at Melrose:
Mary Challenger, wife of Benjamin Challenger, native
of Sheffield. Yorkshire. English papers please copy.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 12 Jun 2018 14:17

If this is Isabella's death it doesn't look like she married Benjamin:

First name(s) Isabella
Last name Rigney
Gender Female
Status Married
Birth year 1858
Death date 22 Apr 1925
Age at death 67y
Residence Yalkuri Station
Place Yalkuri Station
District Wellington
State South Australia
Country Australia

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 12 Jun 2018 14:06

South Australian Register
Fri 14 Jul 1865

MARRIAGES:
CHALLINGER-BACON.-On the 6th July, at
Spring Farm, Mount Remarkable Special Survey,
by licence, by the Rev. T. Nowell Twopeny, M. A.,
Mr. Samel Challinger, eldest son of Mr. Benjamin
Challinger, of Melrose,and formerly of Sheffield,
Yorkshire, to Anne, second daughter of Mr. Henry
Bacon, of Spring Farm aforesaid, and formerly of
Walton, near Glastonbury, Somersethire, England
-------------------------------

Quorn Mercury
Fri 12 Jul 1895

MELROSE
Mr Benjamin Chaliinger, sen., an old
resident, died at the residence of his daughter.
Mrs. Longhurst, from senile decay on the 4tli
inst. at the age of 82, having lived in Melrose
since 1859. He was a native of Yorkshire,
and at one time was largely engaged in the
boot trade at Sheffield, owning business
establishments in Gibraltar-street, West Bar,
and Change Alley in that town, and employing
200 men aud 70 women. He managed,
however, to get involved iu litigation about
the infringement of the Patent Act and sustained
severe losses iu damages and law costs.
He therefore disposed of his business and
emigrated iu 1851 with his wife and family
by tlie ship Ibemia to Victoria, and in 1852
arrived in this colony by the steamer Ilavelock.
He was one of twins, and his brother,
who was a soldier, died only about seven years
ago. His wife died some years ago. lie
leaves three sons, three daughters, 36 grandchildren,
aud 24 great-grandchildren. His
funeral, which was largely attended, took
place on the 5th, the Rev. C. H. Young
officiating.

Stephen

Stephen Report 12 Jun 2018 13:38

It could well be thanks for that info i will do some research many thanks.
Jill

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 12 Jun 2018 13:36

Yorkshire Baptisms

First name(s) Samuel
Last name Challenger
Birth date 02 Oct 1841
Baptism date 18 Feb 1844
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (cordwainer)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
---------------------------------------

First name(s) Phoebe
Last name Challenger
Birth date 05 Jan 1833
Baptism date 18 Feb 1844
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (cordwainer)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)

Phoebe married Robert Airey in 1851, and John Mason in 1868 (Sheffield)
-------------------------------------------

First name(s) Sarah
Last name Challenger
Birth date 01 Apr 1837
Baptism date 18 Feb 1844
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (cordwainer)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
----------------------------------------------

First name(s) Albert
Last name Challenger
Birth date 01 Dec 1843
Baptism date 18 Feb 1844
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (cordwainer)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)

Birth: CHALLANGER, ALBERT (Mother's maiden name: ROWBOTHAM )
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 585

(albert died 1845)
------------------------------------------

First name(s) Nancy
Last name Challinger
Birth date 26 Nov 1845
Baptism date 21 Dec 1845
Baptism place Sheffield, Cathedral Church of St Peter & St Paul
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Benjamin (shoemaker)
Mother's first name(s) Mary
County Yorkshire (West Riding)

(Nancy married Thomas Michael Berry in 1864 SA)
----------------------------------

CHALLENGER, JAMES (mother's maiden name: ROWBOTHAM)
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 671

James married Harriet James in 1871 SA
-------------------------------------

CHALLENGER, BENJAMIN JOHNSON (mother's maiden name: ROWBOTHAM)
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 646 Order

Benjamin married Mary Jane Burke in 1878 SA

alviegal

alviegal Report 12 Jun 2018 13:14

Could this be Benjamin's baptism? John and Phoebe were married in Leeds according to marriage posted above.


Pontefract District Baptisms Transcription


First name(s) BENJAMIN
Last name CHALENGER
Birth year 1814
Baptism year 1814
Baptism day 31
Baptism month Oct
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Phebe
Residence Kippax
Church St Mary
Place KIPPAX
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Occupation Labourer
Notes Twin
Checked Y


and his death.



South Australia Deaths 1842-1972 Transcription
Print Add to tree
First name(s) Benjamin
Last name Challinger
Gender Male
Status Not recorded
Birth year 1813
Death year 1895
Death date 04 Jul 1895
Age at death 82y
Residence Melrose
Place Melrose
District Frome
State South Australia
Country Australia


and this would be his twin brother.


First name(s) JOSEPH
Last name CHALENGER
Birth year 1814
Baptism year 1814
Baptism day 31
Baptism month Oct
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Phebe
Residence Kippax
Church St Mary
Place KIPPAX
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Occupation Labourer
Notes Twin
Checked Y


not finding a Charles born to this couple but here are the other 3 children already posted by greyghost.


Phoebe
Last name Challenger
Baptism year 1820
Birth year 1819
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Baptism place Darton
Mother's first name(s) Phoebe
Father's first name(s) John
Birth date 24 Nov 1819
Baptism date 30 Jul 1820

John was a weaver, abode was Broadzoyd ? Head.


Ann
Last name Challenger
Baptism year 1818
Birth year 1818
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Baptism place Darton
Mother's first name(s) Phoebe
Father's first name(s) John
Birth date 17 Apr 1818
Baptism date 25 Dec 1818

and baptised on the same day.


Miles
Last name Challenger
Baptism year 1818
Birth year 1816
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Baptism place Darton
Mother's first name(s) Phoebe
Father's first name(s) John
Birth date 07 Jul 1816
Baptism date 25 Dec 1818


The 3 other births posted by greyghost with father, Jonathan, are incorrect as he was married to Elizabeth.


EDIT Possibly another child?


First name(s) John
Last name Challenger
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1812
Baptism date 25 Oct 1812
Place Kippax
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Challenger
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -

Stephen

Stephen Report 12 Jun 2018 10:43

Thanks Greyghost
Jill

greyghost

greyghost Report 12 Jun 2018 10:05

West Yorkshire, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1512-1812 (Ancestry tree)

Name John Challanger
Event Type Marriage
Marriage Date 27 May 1810
Marriage Place Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Parish Leeds, St Peter
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map 13120
Spouse Phoebe Clayton

Original - John Challenger of this Parish a Farmer and Phobe Clayton of this Parish a Spinster both made their mark

Witnesses Robert Ingham and Ann Ingham both made their mark

Got to go - should have been out by now !!

greyghost

greyghost Report 12 Jun 2018 09:54

Name Benjamin Chalinger
Spouse's Name Mary Rowbottom
Event Date 16 Jul 1832
Event Place Rotherham,York,England

Citing this Record "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch

greyghost

greyghost Report 12 Jun 2018 09:39

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
CHALLINGER, PHOEBE 75 Order
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 212


an Ancestry tree has young Phoebe's death as 1840 - so this one?

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
CHALENGER, PHOEBE 21 Order
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 22 Page 387

Stephen

Stephen Report 12 Jun 2018 09:37

Thanks for the extra info i will make a cuppa and have a read
Jill