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Vincent Hendon Stormont

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Wendy

Wendy Report 10 Jun 2018 15:37

Hi
I've hit a brick wall.Vincent Hendon Stormont married Florence Russell in Ealing 1910,father Vincent Stormont deceased.
He appears on the 1911 census born c1885 in Brighton Sussex.
There is no other record that I can find,no 1891/1901 census
I really would appreciate some help.
Regards
Wendy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jun 2018 15:49

A tree on Ancestry says he was born 31/12/1884 in Brighton, and that his father was Henry Alexander Wood Stormont 1856-85.

However, I don't see any such birth in Brighton.


For our reference:

Vincent Hendon Stormont
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Vincent Hendon Stormont
Age in 1911: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brighton, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 19 Astbury Road, Queens Road, Peckham S E
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: SHOP ASSISTANT OIL
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration district: Peckham North
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 2569
Household Members:
Name Age
Vincent Hendon Stormont 26
Florence Stormont 25
Phyllis Stormont 0

lostmeboardname

lostmeboardname Report 10 Jun 2018 15:54

First name(s) VINCENT H
Last name STORMONT

Birth year 1885
Age 58
Death quarter 4
Death year 1943
District Brentford
County Middlesex
Volume 3A
Page 262
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jun 2018 15:56

If the tree's correct about his father, this is his father's death:

Henry Alexander W Stormont
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Henry Alexander W Stormont
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 28
Registration district: Steyning
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 155


Henry Alexander Wood Stormont
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Henry Alexander Wood Stormont
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1856
Baptism Date: 15 Oct 1856
Baptism Place: Cheshunt, Hertford, England
Father: Henry Joseph Stormont
Mother: Jeannett
FHL Film Number: 1040802


Henry A.K. Hormont
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Henry A.K. Hormont
[Henry A.K. Stormont]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Henry I. Hormont
Mother: Jeanette Hormont
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Hove
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: 3 St Johns Ter
Registration district: Steyning
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 1096
Folio: 60
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry I. Hormont 51
Jeanette Hormont 50
Henry A.K. Hormont 24 [Henry A W Stormont - unmarried ]
Arthur W. Hormont 23
Howard G. Hormont 21
Edith M. Hormont 20
Fanny C. Frunell 28
Eliza A. Atheal 23
Caroline Ruff 14
Emily Holloway 20
Marie De. Smidt 60
Marie De. Smidt 36
Sarah Osullivan 34
Florence Wild 22
Isabella Morrison 35


It looks as if Vincent may have been illegitimate, and registered under his mother's surname - but still don't see the birth of any Vincent in Brighton 1883-5.

lostmeboardname

lostmeboardname Report 10 Jun 2018 15:57

Stormont Household (8 People) 15 Cedar Avenue , Twickenham M.B., Middlesex,

1939
Vincent H Stormont 31 Dec 1884 house painter
Florence M Stormont 09 Jan 1886
Robert V Stormont 17 Apr 1912 Male Milk Salesman single
Sidney H Stormont 02 Oct 1914 Male Dairy Hand
Francis K Stormont 24 Oct 1916 Male Railway Office Porter

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jun 2018 16:06

The Ancestry tree offers no proof of Vincent's birth, nor proof that Henry is his father.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jun 2018 16:14

Vincent Stormont
in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Name: Vincent Stormont
Gender: Male
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 4 Pitt Rd, Croydon
Regimental Number: 12469
Regiment Name: Queens
Number of Images: 29
Form Title: Territorial Force Attestation
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Vincent Stormont


No NOK details given.
EDIT: Wife and children are listed towards sthe end of the record.

Address : 64 Hounslow Road, Whitton, Twickenham
Age (on 5 Feb 1919) 36.
No DOB stated.

5ft 3ins tall.

In two places his middle initial is given as B.

Wendy

Wendy Report 10 Jun 2018 16:24

Hello ArgyllGran and lostmeboardname
Thank you,you have given me something to work on.The marriage for Vincent says his father was also Vincent but if his father died not long after his birth he may not have known the correct name.
Wendy

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 10 Jun 2018 17:53

If he was illegitimate he could also have just given a name and said deceased so there's no way to check

It wasn't uncommon to do this to cover illegitimacy

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jun 2018 20:31

Absolutely NOT to be taken as correct ( link below) - just an example of how badly wrong family tree research can be, even by a "genealogy expert".
Mixing up two different Ediths by not enough attention to detail, and jumping to conclusions:

https://tinyurl.com/y8doejdo

Wendy

Wendy Report 11 Jun 2018 10:16

I can't find a Vincent (no Surname registered in Sussex 1884/1885 ?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 11 Jun 2018 10:41

No, there isn't one.

Vincent may be a name he's decided on for himself in adulthood.

So might his surname, for that matter.
We have no proof that Henry was his father.