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18 May 2018 06:51 |
One can buy BMD certs from the GRO and from the local office that now holds the rego's (one can also buy m.certs fron the actual church if it's in their current rego).
Some local indexes are online - see: https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
In particular: http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/browse.shtml?p_subjectCategory=1289
GRINSON, Thomas Marriage date: 1867 Register Book, Entry Number: C-3 1, 366
AUSTIN, Sarah Marriage date: 1867 Register Book, Entry Number: C-3 1, 366
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MOAT, Robert Marriage date: 1871 Father's Surname: MOAT Register Book, Entry Number: W17, 110
GRIMSON, Sarah Marriage date: 1871 Father's Surname: AUSTIN Register Book, Entry Number: W17, 110
AUSTIN, Sarah Marriage date: 1871 Father's Surname: AUSTIN Register Book, Entry Number: W17, 110
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This resolves who wed whom, compared with the GRO ind
Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%) AUSTIN Sarah Tynemouth 10b 299 GRINSON Thomas Tynemouth 10b 299 Wheatley Thomas Tynemouth 10b 299 Williams Elizabeth Ann Tynemouth 10b 299
Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%) DOWSE Jane Ann Tynemouth 10b 317 GRINSON Sarah Tynemouth 10b 317 Moat Robert Tynemouth 10b 317 OWENS Elias Tynemouth 10b 317
The first element of the local ref is a code for the church (or subdistrict for Bs and Ds) The second element of the local ref is a register sequence number for that code The third element of the local ref is an entry number or a page number. Marrs usually have an entry number.
S Tyneside has a web page that's a key for decoding their marr locations, but here we're left guessing. C-3 looks like a CofE church, and the registrar's own rego usually begins with an R, but it's W here.
For instance. the modern RD of Wigan & Leigh contains 3 former RDs, Wigan, Leigh and Ince and uses the codes ROW, ROL, ROI. The registrar's own rego's don't just contain rego office marrs. Up to 1898, only C of E, jews and quakers were authorized to keep official marr rego's, so a marr in a non-conformist church would need a registrar (or assistant) to attend with an official marr rego for the couple to sign to complete the ceremony. After 1898, non-conformists could apply to be authorized to keep official marr rego's. Approval could take a couple of years, although RCs chose not to apply until 1980-ish.
Local B & D rego's had 500 entries - 5 per page.
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Fetlar13
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16 May 2018 13:42 |
Thanks Maddie!
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16 May 2018 12:37 |
highly likely here they are 1841 ?????? Coalford, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Thomas Francis Male 53 1788 Shropshire, England Transcription Mary Francis Female 46 1795 Shropshire, England
1861 Lloydhead, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Francis Head Married Male 73 1788 Servant Waterman Broseley, Shropshire, England Transcription Mary Francis Wife Married Female 66 1795 Nurse Broseley, Shropshire, England
1881 Coalford, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation Mary Francis Head Widow Female 86 1795 Broseley, Shropshire, England
Margaret Last name Francis Birth year - Baptism year 1817 Baptism date 23 Feb 1817 Denomination Anglican Place Broseley Father's first name(s) Thomas Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire Register type Baptism Register date range 1813-1833 Archive reference P44/A/2/1 Page 64
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16 May 2018 12:26 |
Maddie
Just found a 1816 marriage record for a Mary Culliss in the same church as Maria's baptism. Mary marries a Thomas Francis, doesn't mean he's Maria's father or even if it's the same Mary Culliss, but it does make you wonder?
Steve
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16 May 2018 12:25 |
buckley Buckley Last name Cullis Birth year - Baptism year 1811 Baptism date 10 Mar 1811 Denomination Anglican Place Broseley Father's first name(s) Jno Mother's first name(s) Sarah Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire Register type Composite Register date range 1798-1812 Archive reference P44/A/1/6
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16 May 2018 12:22 |
John Last name Cullis Marriage year 1792 Marriage date 07 Aug 1792 Marriage place Broseley Denomination Anglican Spouse's first name(s) Sarah Spouse's last name Lloyd County Shropshire Register date range 1766-1797 Archive reference P44/A/1/5 Page 164 Register type Composite Record set Shropshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from Great Britain, England
John Last name Cullis Birth year - Baptism year 1770 Baptism date 25 Feb 1770 Denomination Anglican Place Broseley Father's first name(s) Francis Mother's first name(s) Elis Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire Register type Composite Register date range 1766-1797 Archive reference P44/A/1/5 Page 23 Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Sarah Last name Lloyd Birth year - Baptism year 1771 Baptism date 24 Feb 1771 Denomination Anglican Place Broseley Father's first name(s) Michael Mother's first name(s) Sarah Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire Register type Composite Register date range 1766-1797 Archive reference P44/A/1/5 Page 29 Record set Shropshire Baptisms
Sarah Last name Cullis Birth year 1771 Death year 1850 Death date ? ? 1850 Age 79 Burial year 1850 Burial date 08 Apr 1850 Burial place Broseley Denomination Anglican County Shropshire Archive refererence P44/A/4/2 Page 117 Register type Burial Register date range 1839-1876 Record set Shropshire Burials
1841 Coalford, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place John Cullis Male 70 1771 Shropshire, England Transcription Sarah Cullis Female 65 1776 Shropshire, England Transcription Joshua Carter Male 15 1826 Shropshire, England Transcription Arnold Cullis Male 7 1834 Shropshire, England
1851 Holly Groves, Broseley, Madeley, Shropshire, England
Learn more Print View image Add to tree Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Buckley Cullis Head Married Male 40 1811 Laborer Broseley, Shropshire, England Transcription Mary Cullis Wife Married Female 45 1806 - Broseley, Shropshire, England Transcription Alfred Love Visitor - Male 6 1845 - Broseley, Shropshire, England Transcription John Cullis Father Wr Male 85 1766 Gardener Broseley, Shropshire, England
John Last name Culliss Birth year 1770 Death year 1852 Death date ? ? 1852 Age 82 Burial year 1852 Burial date 31 Jul 1852 Burial place Broseley Denomination Anglican County Shropshire Archive refererence P44/A/4/2 Page 144 Register type Burial Register date range 1839-1876
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16 May 2018 12:12 |
Maddie
A Mary Cullis giving birth at 16 years old to Maria, hence no fathers name on the record, in the same village of Broseley.. Makes sense to me. She wasn't the first and won't be the last!
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Steve
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Fetlar13
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16 May 2018 12:07 |
Maddie & Austin
Really interesting stuff and very useful
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Steve
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AustinQ
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16 May 2018 12:02 |
Just to confirm that Sarah wasn't with her family in 1861:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Eating House, Dyke Street, North Shields, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Wolfe Dawson Head Married Male 25 1836 Shipwrights North Shields, Northumberland, Mary A Dawson Wife Married Female 22 1839 - South Shields, Durham, England Elizabeth Dawson Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1859 - North Shields, Northumberland, Mary Dawson Daughter Unmarried Female 0 1861 - North Shields, Northumberland, Sarah Austin Servant Unmarried Female 16 1845 - France
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16 May 2018 11:54 |
a maybe Mary Last name Cullis Birth year - Baptism year 1795 Baptism date 18 Feb 1795 Denomination Anglican Place Broseley Father's first name(s) John Mother's first name(s) Sarah Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire Register type Composite Register date range 1766-1797 Archive reference P44/A/1/5 Page 180 Record set Shropshire Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from Great Britain, England
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Fetlar13
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16 May 2018 11:42 |
Maddie, well spotted thanks, pity there's no fathers name!
AustinQ, that looks like them doesn't it.
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16 May 2018 11:42 |
Richard ??? RICHARD Last name AUSTIN Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1811 Age 64 Death quarter 2 Death year 1875 District Northampton County Northamptonshire Volume 3B Page 47 Country England
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AustinQ
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16 May 2018 11:33 |
It could well be- although my knowledge of France is very limited!
Family in 1841:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription St Peter Street, All Saints, Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
Richard Austin Male 30 1811 Northamptonshire, England Maria Austin Female 30 1811 Northamptonshire, England Georgeiani Austin Female 5 1836 Northamptonshire, England Mary Austin Female 1 1840 Northamptonshire, England ---------------------------
EDIT: That baptism looks good Maddie
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16 May 2018 11:33 |
???? Maria Last name Cullis Birth year - Baptism year 1811 Baptism date 24 Mar 1811 Denomination Anglican Place Broseley Father's first name(s) - Mother's first name(s) Mary Cullis Mother's last name - Residence - County Shropshire Register type Composite Register date range 1798-1812 Archive reference P44/A/1/6 Page 123 Record set Shropshire Baptisms
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16 May 2018 11:31 |
There's very interesting! Two youngest daughters born in France? Do you imagine that Duppe is actually Dieppe a seaport, which could tie in if like the son Richard, their father had been a mariner?
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16 May 2018 11:21 |
I think this is Maria in 1861:
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Areesleys Court, Reed Street, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Maria Austin Head Married Female 52 1809 Charwoman Broseley, Shropshire, England Mary Ann Austin Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 - Northampton, Northamptonshire, Richard Austin Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Mariner Northampton, Northamptonshire, Susannah Austin Daughter Unmarried Female 14 1847 France Elizabeth Austin Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1853 Duppe France. -------------------------------------
If this is Maria in 1861, then this is her marriage- to Richard Austin:
First name(s) Maria Last name Cullis Name note - Marriage year 1834 Marriage date 31 Mar 1834 Marriage place Northampton Spouse's first name(s) Richard Spouse's last name Austin Residence Northampton, Northampton, England County Northamptonshire -----------------------------
Birth of son to confirm maiden name:
AUSTIN, RICHARD mmn: CULLIS GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in NORTHAMPTON UNION Volume 15 Page 292
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16 May 2018 11:08 |
AustinQ
Yep sorry 1882 Maths isn't my strong point !!
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16 May 2018 11:03 |
I've now managed to find Sarah's first marriage, her husband was dead just over two years later. They had a daughter Mary M Grinson by the look of it. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
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16 May 2018 10:57 |
You have son Thomas as born in 1872- did you mean 1882?
Birth: MOAT, THOMAS WILLIAM Mother's maiden name: AUSTIN GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 177
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16 May 2018 10:56 |
Fantastic stuff so far thanks!
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