Bastard birth

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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	13 May 2018 21:17
	1833 Elizabeth Warner 25 pregnant by George Mackarell ; Shoreditch.... One more and it's becoming a habit..
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	13 May 2018 21:03
	I've found quite a few !
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,062 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	13 May 2018 19:49
	the child could ahve been born in the infirmary of the workhouse, and then "adopted" ......... as there was no legal adoption back then (it didn't come in until 1927), there would be no records of the child. The only possibility would be to search the Workhouse Records on Ancestry to see if you can find the mother being admitted and released. Be glad if you only have 1 illegitimate child, most of us find lots, as well as bigamist marriages, etc etc.
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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	13 May 2018 19:30
	Looks good, no child. Thank you.
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	13 May 2018 17:18
	Elizabeth Warner England Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Henry Hayes Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Warner Event Date: 03 May 1843 Event Place: Saint Leonards,Shoreditch,London,England
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	13 May 2018 17:15
	Elizabeth Warner England and Wales Census, 1841 Name: Elizabeth Warner Titles and Terms: NULL Event Type: Census Event Date: 1841 Event Place: St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Residence Note: Thurlow Place Gender: Female Age: 30-34 Age (Original): 30 Occupation: Null Birth Year (Estimated): 1807-1811 Birthplace: Middlesex Registration District: Shoreditch Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch County: Middlesex Page Number: 15 Registration Number: HO107 Piece/Folio: 704/11 Affiliate Record Type: Institution Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Mary Tyler Female 60-64 Middlesex Joseph Tyler Male 35-39 Middlesex Elizabeth Warner Female 30-34 Middlesex
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	13 May 2018 16:56
	She was resident in St Leonard, Shoreditch
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	13 May 2018 16:54
	Those are correct. I have no evidence of the child being born, cannot find anything about the woman other than what is written on the transcript above. She was 23 years old. I've seen the original of the documents but no further clues.
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.
Member Since: October 2004 Posts: 8,837 Send Message	malyon	Report	13 May 2018 16:47
	is this your charles Charles Matthew Siggs mentioned in the record of Henry Siggs Name: Charles Matthew Siggs Sex: Male Wife: Elizabeth Ann Son: Henry Siggs Other information in the record of Henry Siggs from England Births and Christenings Name: Henry Siggs Gender: Male Christening Date: 10 Jan 1831 Christening Date (Original): 10 JAN 1831 Christening Place: SAINT MARTIN IN THE FIELDS,WESTMINSTER,LONDON,ENGLAND Father's Name: Charles Matthew Siggs Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 49,504 Send Message	Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it	Report	13 May 2018 16:43
	This looks like her Say single woman -pregnant View London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1930 Add Alternative Information Report issue Name: Elizabeth Warner Record Type: Orders of Removal Event Date: 26 Jul 1831 Poor Law Union or Parish: Shoreditch Residence: St Giles in The Fields Reference Number: P91/LEN/1316
	Researching: Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 49,504 Send Message	Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it	Report	13 May 2018 16:35
	Have you looked for her on later census Does the record give a child's name or even the sex of the child What area was it
	Researching: Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957
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Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 559 Send Message	WhiffingSiggs	Report	13 May 2018 16:27
	Ancestry has opened up a can of worms !! Ha ha. I seem to have found evidence under 'poor law and settlement records' of a woman called Elizabeth Warner giving evidence of her pregnancy in 1831 by Charles Matthew Siggs ( who is already married to another Elizabeth). Would there be any way of finding out what became of the child and mother ?
	Researching: Siggs of Suffolk, Cambridgeshire, Essex and West London, Wise of North Hampshire, Wiltshire and North London and Aubrey/Whiting of South Wales/Herefordshire.

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