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Nellie Nolan and Edwin round

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AustinQ

AustinQ Report 13 Jun 2018 11:18

His wife's death:

Sheffield Daily Telegraph 23 January 1911

SHE HAD BEHAVED LIKE A MAD WOMAN

There were several curious points raised at the inquest a Shirebrook on Saturday on a woman whose dead body was found terribly mutilated on the Midland Railway near Shirebrook Bridge.
David Round of 12 Welbeck terrace, the widower was asked by the Coroner (Dr A Green)- What was your wife's full name. 'I do not know to hand' was the extraordinary reply...'Have you no idea what it is?'
Round: Eliza Ann I expect sir...
Witness stated that his wife whose age was 33 had suffered in health of late. She had been weak and of low spirited.
The Coroner: What was the cause of it?
Round: Poverty sir, He added that he had done what he could for her and the five children but he had been out of work for several week....

-It's a lengthy article, but the jury returned an open verdict.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 13 Jun 2018 10:28

Looks like David may have married again:

Marriage:
name(s) David Round (widow)
Age 36
Birth year 1877
Residence Mexborough
Marriage date 24 Feb 1913
Marriage place Mexborough
Spouse's name(s) Mary Eckermann
Spouse's age 47
Spouse's residence Mexborough
Father's name(s) Henry Round
Spouse's father's name(s) Thomas Eckermann
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
----------------------------

Yes- he did marry again:

Sheffield Evening Telegraph 04 October 1913

INCURABLY LAZY
The man who married again

David Round a former Shirebrook collier had his character ruthlessly exposed at the Chesterfield County Police Court today. He was charged, that while living at Old Road, Whittington, he ran away and deserted his three children, who became, and still are, chargeable to the Chesterfield Union. Prisoner was arrested at Oldbury Worcester.
Inspector Nuttall stated that while Round lived at Shirebrook he was incurably lazy and, his wife, in desperation, committed suicide by throwing herself under a train.

The Chairman (Mr C P Markham): His wife committed suicide and he deserted his children?

Deputy Chief Constable Faulkner: And got married again.

Prisoner: I wish you;d give me a chance, as I only got married again lately.

"Unless you pay £3 8s that is owing" pronounced the chairman "you'll go to Derby for three months.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 13 Jun 2018 10:15

Based on birth- possible marriage of parents:

First name(s) David Round
Age 22
Marriage date 17 Apr 1899
Marriage place South Kirkby
Father's name(s) Henry Round
Spouse's name(s) Eliza Jones
Spouse's birth date 1879
Spouse's father's name(s) EdwardJones
Residence South Kirkby, York, England
County Yorkshire
---------------------------------

Birth of possible children based on school record:

ROUND, THOMAS EDWIN (mmn: JONES)
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 788

Baptism:
name(s) Thomas Edwin Round
Baptism date 09 May 1900
Baptism place Sutton cum Duckmanton, Sutton cum Duckmanton, Derbyshire,
Father's name(s) David Round
Mother's name(s) Eliza Round
Place Sutton cum Duckmanton
County Derbyshire
---------------------------------------------------

ROUND, DAVID (mmn: JONES )
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in HEMSWORTH Volume 09C Page 193

Baptism:
name(s) David Round
Gender Male
Baptism date 08 Aug 1901
Residence South Kirkby, York, England
County Yorkshire
Father's name(s) David Round
Mother's first name(s) Eliza
---------------------------------------------

ROUND, WILLIAM (mmn: JONES )
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 808

Baptism:
name(s) William Round
Baptism date 17 Dec 1902
Baptism place Sutton cum Duckmanton, Sutton cum Duckmanton, Derbyshire,
Father's name(s) David Round
Mother's name(s) Eliza Round
Place Sutton cum Duckmanton
County Derbyshire
---------------------------------------------

ROUND, BENJAMIN (mmn: JONES )
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 727
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ROUND, DAISY (mmn: JONES )
GRO Reference: 1908 M Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 795

Baptism:
name(s) Daisy Round
Baptism date 19 Apr 1908
Baptism place Clay Cross, Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England
Father's name(s) David Round
Mother's name(s) Eliza Round
Place Clay Cross
County Derbyshire
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I have a feeling this is the same family:

Derbyshire Courier 11 October 1913

Unnatural Parent:
Chesterfield Man's wanton conduct

The remarkable conduct of a man names David Round was commented upon at the Chesterfield County Police Court on Saturday when he was charged with running away and leaving his three children, whereby they became chargeable to the the Chesterfield Union.
Ald C P Markham said the defendant had ill treated his wife to such an extent that she had committed suicide, and now he was leaving his children. Defendant was ordered to pay £3 8s the amount the upkeep of his children had cost the Guardians or go to Derby for one month.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 13 Jun 2018 09:41

As posted earlier- posting again for my reference:

1939, date of birth 31st March 1900:

77 Aberconway Crescent , Doncaster R.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Nellie Round 09 Oct 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 150 2
Edwin T Round 31 Mar 1900 Male Colliery Stone Miner Below Heavy Worker Married 150 1
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
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School record for same person- same birth date, father, David: (also listed are siblings, David 1902, William 1903, & Benjamin 1905

name(s) Edward Thos Round
Birth date 31 Mar 1900
Event year 1912
School name Sedgefield Way Junior Mixed Infants (National) School
Town Mexborough
County Yorkshire
Parent name(s) David
Book type Admissions
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Father David on his marriage:

Marriage:

Name: Nellie Roscoe (age 21, of 8 Featherstone Square)
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 8 Jan 1923
Marriage Place: Pontefract, St Giles and St Mary, West Yorkshire, England
Father: John Roscoe (Miner)
Spouse: Thomas Edward Rounds (age 22, Soldier)
Spouse father: David Rounds (Pensioner)

Witnesses: Charles Healy & Clara Frances Woodward



Sandra

Sandra Report 12 Jun 2018 19:55

Thank you Shirley and Austin for the info ,I am going to read though it all now and hopefully I am on the right family .just got to check if Edwin Thomas and Thomas Edwin is the same person .....regards Sandra

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2018 07:58

Could be Austin . I didn't do soundex

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Jun 2018 07:43

This one Shirley:

Births Jun 1933
ROUND John Roscoe Doncaster 9c 1238

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 8 Jun 2018 07:35

????

Births Dec 1923
Rounds Gladys Roscoe Pontefract 9c 227

Births Sep 1926
Rounds Dora Roscoe Pontefract 9c 206

No john though

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Jun 2018 07:15

Possibly her parents in 1911- not with children.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9 Turner Yard Pemberton, Pemberton, Lancashire, England

John Roscoe Head Married Male 36 1875 Lanc Lamberhead Green Night Soil Dep
Rose Hanah Roscoe Wife Married Female 33 1878 Chesterfield Derbyshire -
William Lewis Boarder Single Male 35 1876 Lancashire Liverpool Coal Miner Hewer

Rose - married 13 years, 7 children, 5 still living.
----------------------------

Same family in 1901- Note, Amos was born before marriage- surname Marshall:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
23, Moss Street, Lamberhead Green, Pemberton, Wigan, Lancashire, England

John Roscoe Head Married Male 26 1875 Pemberton, Lancashire Drawer In Coal Mine
Rose A Roscoe Wife Married Female 21 1880 Chesterfield, Durham, England -
Amos Roscoe Son - Male 3 1898 Billinge, Lancashire, England -
Richard Roscoe Half Brother Married Male 43 1858 Pemberton, Lancashire, Coal Hewer
Elizabeth Roscoe Sister-In-Law Married Female 37 1864 Pemberton, Lancashire,
Margaret Roscoe Niece - Female 7 1894 Pemberton, Lancashire, England

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Jun 2018 07:00

Nellie's birth:

ROSCOE, NELLIE (mother's maiden name: MARSHALL)
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 145

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Jun 2018 06:57

Nellie's father in 1939:

Roscoe Household (5 People) 8 Featherstore Square , Featherstone U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

John Roscoe 15 Sep 1874 Male Coal Hewer Retired Widowed
Lucy Lynch (Roscoe) 05 May 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single
Henry Roscoe 06 Mar 1915 Male Haulage Hand (Belo Heavy Worker -
Albert Roscoe 07 Sep 1919 Male Coal Hewer Heavy Work Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 8 Jun 2018 06:42

Marriage:

Name: Nellie Roscoe (age 21, of 8 Featherstone Square)
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 8 Jan 1923
Marriage Place: Pontefract, St Giles and St Mary, West Yorkshire, England
Father: John Roscoe (Miner)
Spouse: Thomas Edward Rounds (age 22, Soldier)
Spouse father: David Rounds (Pensioner)

Witnesses: Charles Healy & Clara Frances Woodward

Sandra

Sandra Report 7 Jun 2018 20:20

sorry to be a nuisance ,but I might have the wrong Nellie here ,Edwin may have been married to Nellie Roscoe not Nolan,,I know Edwin definatly lived in Aberconway crescent in 1939 registrar and had a daughter Gladys born abt 1923/4 and son John ,I could not find Gladys birth but found one for Gladys Rounds not round, with parents rounds ,,,Roscoe, can anyone help me please on 1911 censor to parents of Nellie Roscoe please ,the Nellie on 1939 censor in 77 aberconway cresent was born 1907 ,thank you for any help ,regards Sandra

Sandra

Sandra Report 14 May 2018 10:15

Thank you everyone ,I think I better get a marriage cert for them ,as there are different names on here and so be easier if I can find their parents on marriage cert ,grateful for all your help ,,,,regards Sandra

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 May 2018 20:03

Ahh the years of birth has been misinterpreted on the 1939 register

It has been overwritten though


First name(s) NELLIE
Last name ROUND
Gender Female
Birth day 16
Birth month 10
Birth year 1901
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1971
District Doncaster
County Yorkshire
Volume 2B
Page 1037
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Day is different too

Still not seeing her birth but surname is Irish so maybe she was born there

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 May 2018 19:30

Her birth month on the 1939 register is oct 1907 so she wouldn't be reg in the sept qtr
of 1907

malyon

malyon Report 13 May 2018 18:07

Nellie Emily Nolan
England and Wales Birth Registration Index, 1837-2008
Name: Nellie Emily Nolan
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1907
Registration District: Hartley Wintney
County: Hampshire
Event Place: Hartley Wintney, Hampshire, England
Volume: 2C
Page: 194
Line Number: 271

malyon

malyon Report 13 May 2018 18:05

Nellie Nolan
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name: Nellie Nolan
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Event Place: Paddington, W, London, England
County: London
Parish: Paddington
Sub-District: Paddington North
Registration District: Paddington
Gender: Female
Age: 7
Occupation: SCHOLAR
Birth Year (Estimated): 1904
Birthplace: London Islington, London
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Line: 4
Page: 1
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Augustus Morton Head Male 26 London St Johns Wood, London
Louisa Morton Wife Female 36 London Paddington, London
William Nolan Son Male 11 London Islington, London
Nellie Nolan Daughter Female 7 London Islington, London
Jack Nolan Son Male 5 Bromley, Kent
George Kingsbury Boarder Male 21 Regent Street, London
Eugenie Lombardi Boarder Male 62 ITALY

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 13 May 2018 17:12

Well their marriage cert should name the fathers .if known

View England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Order marriage certificate for Edwin Round
Add Alternative Information
Report issue
Name: Edwin Round
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1925
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Spouse: Nellie Nolan
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 1799

Maddie

Maddie Report 13 May 2018 15:57

as they married in oldham but bd out by 3 years might be worth considering
NELLIE
Last name NOLAN
Birth year 1903
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name Haslam
District Oldham
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Page 672

1911
1 Court 2 William St Oldham, Oldham, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Armfield Head Married Male 33 1878 West Gorton Lancs Railway Goods Porter
Transcription
Annie Armfield Wife Married Female 31 1880 St Helens Lancs -
Transcription
Clara Nolan Stepdaughter - Female 10 1901 Oldham Lancs -
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Olive Nolan Step Grand Daur - Female 8 1903 Oldham Lancs -
Transcription
Nellie Nolan Step Grand Daur - Female 7 1904 Oldham Lancs -

NELLIE
Last name NOLAN
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1925
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ NELLIE NOLAN married
Edwin Round
Spouse's last name Round
District Oldham
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8D
Volume as transcribed 8D
Page number 1799

marriage cert will confirm or deny